Offset in irons

[kid2]

I know that it's basically there to help with launch moreso than shot dispersion but a by product of it is that It can straighten out a left to right ball flight as well.
Now at the moment I use Mizuno Mp32 with KBS Tour S shafts. 5-PW. And hybrids below that.

From wedge to 8 iron I get about 1-2 yards of movement from good shots and on the 6 and 7 iron I can get anything from 4 to 8 yards depending on the swing and wind.
My 5 iron is a little more than those and then the hybrids are odd. They just seem to go like the short irons.
I suppose what I'm asking is has anyone tightend up a ball flight by going to a club with a bit more offset.
I love the 32's and for what they are forgiveness is decent often surprising me. The most unforgiving part of the face I would say is above centre.

I swing probably steepish so bounce would be a help as well. But what I've always found is that when the dryer weather comes in ( I dont even think GOD knows when that will be) I have trouble with wider soled irons bouncing off the ground rather than allowing me to take a healthy divot. Fine when the ground is a wee bit soft but a nightmare when it's hard. The swing isn't always sound so any bit of help would be nice just to carry that trap or still miss a pin left or right rather than short.
I can see the relevance of the GI irons but I just can't bring myself to hit a 44/45 degree PW.

I've always played better with a bladed iron.
I swing hard and probably if I'm critical spin the ball at times a bit too much. But the bladier irons get the less offset that they seem to have .

Any info greatly appreciated.
Mike. 😉

 

[the_coach]

would perhaps look to working with the swing motion to have the 'low point' of the swing arc more reliably a couple inches in front of the ball

issues would not really be with the 'chunkiness' or otherwise of the sole per se (other than looks) given hard or soft ground - issues with that, it will be more around clubhead delivery than offset or chunky soles

little ways more offset there's perhaps a very marginal cause in saying it may well help some to have the hands arrive before the clubhead - my take would be that pretty easy for that not to happen over much if the swing sequence is out any

what little more offset more likely to do is to a small degree pre-close the leading edge the face angle some
given the relationship to how far the leading edge (through design) is aways from the hosel

- if an offset club and non offset club is laced off of a bench so rests on the shaft with both clubhead 'hanging' in free space off the edge of the bench can then be seen the difference in the angle the leading edge hangs (gravity based)
so say for some one with a strong good swing sequence so good forwards shaft lean around 4º or 5º degrees (around normal for an elite golfer) through impact with low point some bunch of inches in front with a bigger offset that can tend to lead to the issue with flight going leftfield - overdraws, hooks - so folks who have issues squaring the clubface up some degree of offset can be of help

sole ground contact issues more to do with 'low point' of the swing arc though rather than ground conditions

 

[kid2]

Deep point of my divots are usually about 3-4 inchs in front of the ball whether that's off a tee or off the grass...

 

[the_coach]

maybes a way to look at it, would be more important where the divot first starts, leading edge ground point of first ground contact along with combined info of LM #'s of 'normal average' AoA with irons through the bag

 

[kid2]

maybes a way to look at it, would be more important where the divot first starts, leading edge ground point of first ground contact along with combined info of LM #'s of 'normal average' AoA with irons through the bag

I appreciate the help Pal... but you've lost me on this one.
I'm trying to get away from too much technical stuff.
I don't subscribe to LM's especially with irons as your dealing with perfect conditions. ie. Flat level ground or Mat and something which you rarely find on a golf course. If every course was flat then fine that may have a use.
But I'm very rarely faced with a perfect flat lie round out place. 😀

 

[the_coach]

LM #'s are the only ways to reliably find out, identify with proof, if the iron swing is too steep or not

the importance of where the divot starts is key to having the low point in the right area - what you described with 'sole' ground contact issues changing a fair deal whether soft or hard ground would tend to suggest it is likely to be an issue with contact - a divot starting under the ball, or level with to little ways behind the ball so to a degree 'fat' contacts will with some speed be just around manageable with softer ground not so with hard ground

nothing really to do with uneven stance or imperfect or perfect conditions

 

[delc]

Offset irons make your shanks even worse! I hate offset!

 

[craigstardis1976]

I know that it's basically there to help with launch moreso than shot dispersion but a by product of it is that It can straighten out a left to right ball flight as well.
Now at the moment I use Mizuno Mp32 with KBS Tour S shafts. 5-PW. And hybrids below that.

From wedge to 8 iron I get about 1-2 yards of movement from good shots and on the 6 and 7 iron I can get anything from 4 to 8 yards depending on the swing and wind.
My 5 iron is a little more than those and then the hybrids are odd. They just seem to go like the short irons.
I suppose what I'm asking is has anyone tightend up a ball flight by going to a club with a bit more offset.
I love the 32's and for what they are forgiveness is decent often surprising me. The most unforgiving part of the face I would say is above centre.

I swing probably steepish so bounce would be a help as well. But what I've always found is that when the dryer weather comes in ( I dont even think GOD knows when that will be) I have trouble with wider soled irons bouncing off the ground rather than allowing me to take a healthy divot. Fine when the ground is a wee bit soft but a nightmare when it's hard. The swing isn't always sound so any bit of help would be nice just to carry that trap or still miss a pin left or right rather than short.
I can see the relevance of the GI irons but I just can't bring myself to hit a 44/45 degree PW.

I've always played better with a bladed iron.
I swing hard and probably if I'm critical spin the ball at times a bit too much. But the bladier irons get the less offset that they seem to have .

Any info greatly appreciated.
Mike. 

Mike:

You are a 5.7 handicapper and I am a 13 so take this for what it is worth (bugger all, really.)

I am not sure of all the technical terms but I do not think all offset is made equally. For example the offset in my Ping Eye 2's may be similar to the offset in a set of Callaway XR's but somehow it looks less at address in the Pings than it does in the Callaway's.

Along the lines of what the_coach was saying, I wonder if some video with a freeze frame on impact may show that with the shorter clubs less shaft lean than with the longer clubs?

But from what I have learned from reading club designer Tom Wishon and Ralph Maltby's books offset has a minimal effect on the control of ball flight.

 

[kid2]

Mike:

You are a 5.7 handicapper and I am a 13 so take this for what it is worth (bugger all, really.)

I am not sure of all the technical terms but I do not think all offset is made equally. For example the offset in my Ping Eye 2's may be similar to the offset in a set of Callaway XR's but somehow it looks less at address in the Pings than it does in the Callaway's.

Along the lines of what the_coach was saying, I wonder if some video with a freeze frame on impact may show that with the shorter clubs less shaft lean than with the longer clubs?

But from what I have learned from reading club designer Tom Wishon and Ralph Maltby's books offset has a minimal effect on the control of ball flight.

Any info gladly taken pal.
And handicap is just a number. Iv seen and played with lads off double digits that strike the ball better than low handicappers but can't score. That's what it's all about really.

 

[USER1999]

Offset helps square the face, due to the position of the cog relative to the shaft. It moves the cog backwards, and gear effect helps close the face. If you don't need this help, you don't need it.

 

[kid2]

Offset helps square the face, due to the position of the cog relative to the shaft. It moves the cog backwards, and gear effect helps close the face. If you don't need this help, you don't need it.

I think that for the most part I can Murph.
But I suppose closing the face of my own irons at address might help square the face of the longer iron up a little faster.
I don't release the wrists much on the way down into the ball. It's more after the ball is gone Whig is where I get the fade from. I hold it off throuh impact.

When the timing is on its fine. But if I'm off I suppose I'm the opposite of someone who hits a draw
I get a push or a pull hook with the bad ones.

 

[Oddsocks]

Kid......

Cast your mind back 18 months, you got stuck in your own head and come close to quitting for the exact thing your about to start doing again!

STOP IT NOW !

 

[kid2]

Kid......

Cast your mind back 18 months, you got stuck in your own head and come close to quitting for the exact thing your about to start doing again!

STOP IT NOW !

I'm ok now pal. The medication is working a treat. 😉😂😂.
Gone are the days of fiddling.
It's all about tightening things up now.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I'm ok now pal. The medication is working a treat. 😉😂😂.
Gone are the days of fiddling.
It's all about tightening things up now.

But if you aren't happy in your mind with the clubs

Glad to hear you're keeping it simple. What I hope to start doing when I get out properly this season. Hit it find it, repeat (not too often)

 

[kid2]

But if you aren't happy in your mind with the clubs

Glad to hear you're keeping it simple. What I hope to start doing when I get out properly this season. Hit it find it, repeat (not too often)

Exactly where my mind is at now Homes...
I get so wrapped up now in my process before every shot , there's no technical stuff going on.

All I'm concentrating on is visualizing my fade and trying to get a nice smooth tempo..

Irons are lovely I'm just wondering would a wee bit more offset in an iron head tighten up my ball flight even more.

Never happy am I ?😂😂

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Exactly where my mind is at now Homes...
I get so wrapped up now in my process before every shot , there's no technical stuff going on.

All I'm concentrating on is visualizing my fade and trying to get a nice smooth tempo..

Irons are lovely I'm just wondering would a wee bit more offset in an iron head tighten up my ball flight even more.

Never happy am I ?😂😂

Die is cast... new shinies

 

[kid2]

Die is cast... new shinies

😂😂😂😂. Not giving in. YET!!!!!

 

[HomerJSimpson]

😂😂😂😂. Not giving in. YET!!!!!

It's like water though. Will always find a way to get in

 

[Oddsocks]

I'm ok now pal. The medication is working a treat. 😉😂😂.
Gone are the days of fiddling.
It's all about tightening things up now.

Just trying to stop you going full circle and back to the dark place