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You are right, EG or CONGU can easily change factors such as handicap allowances, restrict the frequency of GP scores or increase them by introduction of Most Likely Score. However these are not key changes in WHS just the local variations and they can be done easily. My understanding was that the survey was more universal not just a local one and as such major changes to suit just irritations voiced from the UK, I feel, will not come from it.
If it was just an EG survey for example, then local issue changes would be more likely if there wa enough of a ground swell.
One possible outcome could be that the method of calculation for HI returns to being localised to satisfy country requirements. Certainly trying to find a common method for that aspect that suits USA golf and Irish golf seems unlikely.
 

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Imagine the WHS app with a country selector. Your scores are the static data but the country button selects the algorithm that gives you your HI to complete in that country. The rest of the process remains consistent across all countries.
 

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One possible outcome could be that the method of calculation for HI returns to being localised to satisfy country requirements. Certainly trying to find a common method for that aspect that suits USA golf and Irish golf seems unlikely.
That is right, major changes to the core WHS pillars I feel are very very unlikely to result from this survey.

Local changes can or might happen but, as far as I know, EG, SG, WG and GI aren't conducting a survey or Inquiry at the moment and I have not heard of one happening. If they did one I would like to think it would be more targeted at things they could change.
 

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That is right, major changes to the core WHS pillars I feel are very very unlikely to result from this survey.

Local changes can or might happen but, as far as I know, EG, SG, WG and GI aren't conducting a survey or Inquiry at the moment and I have not heard of one happening. If they did one I would like to think it would be more targeted at things they could change.
What do you regard as the core WHS pillars? Is the HI calculation a pillar?

The only aspect of WHS that needs to be consistent across the world is the method used to determine slope. Your scores are your scores, albeit they need to be marked GP or comp, and HI can be retrospectively calculated using any algorithm.
 

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You’re changing the goal posts! We were discussing Cat 1 Juniors, how many do you have in your Club!

Taking it to extremes proves nothing.

Whether an insurance company does or does not pay out is also irrelevant, the issue is the low lifes with no values or standards.
Changing the goalposts 😂😂😂😂😂😂
You started talking about stolen cars?🚗

I never mentioned cat1 it dosnt exist anymore. We have none under 5 cap.
 

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Imagine the WHS app with a country selector. Your scores are the static data but the country button selects the algorithm that gives you your HI to complete in that country. The rest of the process remains consistent across all countries.
With what aim though. WHS was to unify and have comparable handicaps across the globe. In that, they are no further on, so have failed in their core goal for adopting the principle of the US system and dumping the one that we had here.
 

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Changing the goalposts 😂😂😂😂😂😂
You started talking about stolen cars?🚗

I never mentioned cat1 it dosnt exist anymore. We have none under 5 cap.
You joined in when me & Ian were discussing Junior Cat 1 Golfers.🤷‍♂️

You all of a sudden envisaged 40 10yr Olds playing off 45 booking all the Comp slots
 

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You joined in when me & Ian were discussing Junior Cat 1 Golfers.🤷‍♂️

You all of a sudden envisaged 40 10yr Olds playing off 45 booking all the Comp slots
I just joined a general conversation about juniors.

Have you ever joined in a conversation on here or just stick to one person at a time.

Hope you have locked your car 🚗.
 

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I thought handicaps were to be consistent across the world was the fundamental justification ? Not that we were missing slope in the UK.
Consistency was the aim and still can be. However I think they need to think more carefully about when and why it's necessary. If you have 100 scores in your record that we're all done in USA and then you move to Ireland, for example, and you want to compete in Irish club golf then you want a handicap that works in Ireland. There's absolutely no reason why that can't be calculated against your scoring record from the USA as long as the basis for calculating differentials is the same, i.e. slope.
 
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Yes it is.
It’s GP cards allowing them to do it.
@PaulMdj laughed at this apparently. I'm struggling to understand why? You are absolutely spot on, it was an issue in America before WHS because their system allowed GP cards sand solo rounds to be entered, so they had a ton of vanity handicaps as well as sandbaggers. So who then would surprised that this is exactly what's happened here now thanks to basically importing their ease of cheating

If he can't grasp that simple premise, I'm not sure why he's commenting here at all?
 

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@PaulMdj laughed at this apparently. I'm struggling to understand why? You are absolutely spot on, it was an issue in America before WHS because their system allowed GP cards sand solo rounds to be entered, so they had a ton of vanity handicaps as well as sandbaggers. So who then would surprised that this is exactly what's happened here now thanks to basically importing their ease of cheating

If he can't grasp that simple premise, I'm not sure why he's commenting here at all?
I think it is you missing the point, people cheated under UHS, people are cheating under WHS.

There is absolutely NO system that will be scumbag proof.

I therefore find it funny, if not hilarious that people look to shift the blame from the scumbag to the system.
 

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I think it is you missing the point, people cheated under UHS, people are cheating under WHS.

There is absolutely NO system that will be scumbag proof.

I therefore find it funny, if not hilarious that people look to shift the blame from the scumbag to the system.
I have not seen anyone suggest that people who cheat are without blame.Just that a system that so readily facilitates the cheating is not a very good one..

If builders built a load of houses that could not be locked it wouldn't make thieves blameless but it doesn't mean that the builders haven't been negligent.

Personally I think the authorities have failed in their duty to the golfing public of this country in their eagerness to lick the American A**
 
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