Official WHS Survey

[IanMac]

Sorry, that's pathetic. Would you like to enter? Seriously? Come on.

Interesting response to something that is normal in many clubs. Out of interest do you have juniors, ladies and men in competitions at your club?

 

[D-S]

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You're making it sound like they'd want to play in our adult competitions but that's not the case. They have a whole host of trophies to play for as a junior.

So if it might only be the odd one every now and again, why ban them?

Do you have to explain to some members what Cat 1 and Cat 2 are?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

You'll see from an earlier post that juniors are allowed to play in many adult competitions if they are either 15 or have a category 2 handicap. Your son off 18 at age 14 wouldn't make our cut off until his next birthday. If he's 18 at age 14 he's a probably a decent talent and will no doubt get much better quickly. He's at that age when improvement often comes naturally. I think that's why we have the age 15 cut off.

You're making it sound like they'd want to play in our adult competitions but that's not the case. They have a whole host of trophies to play for as a junior.

Genuine question, how many is a host? The clubs near to me have the odd junior comp in school holidays but they are very limited. There are inter club junior matches but you can't get sharp for them if you aren't playing comps regularly.

My example was historical, my lad is 24 now. I don't understand blocking juniors though, they should be encouraged. Thankfully, most clubs near to me, one exception, allow them to play in adult comps with few, if any, restrictions.

 

[IanMac]

So if it might only be the odd one every now and again, why ban them?

Do you have to explain to some members what Cat 1 and Cat 2 are?

We don't ban anyone. There is a full competition calendar for men, ladies and juniors.

If I have to explain cat 1 and 2 to those on this thread then they're not qualified to discuss the merits of WHS.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Interesting response to something that is normal in many clubs. Out of interest do you have juniors, ladies and men in competitions at your club?

My current club has few juniors but they are able to play in adult comps. This applies to both the mens and ladies section.

The club runs occasional mixed comps but it isn't a regular thing. There is no appetite from the ladies to join in with the mens comp regularly, they prefer having their own.

My comment was related to an adult suggesting that a junior should not play in an adult comp because an adult can not play in a junior comp. Really?..........

 

[D-S]

Interesting response to something that is normal in many clubs. Out of interest do you have juniors, ladies and men in competitions at your club?

Whenever we run a competition there is, with about two exceptions a year a similar parallel competition for the other sections to enter or the competition is for everyone either that or the competition is a roll up. Banning access on age or gender seems old fashioned and wrong in this day and age.

 

[D-S]

We don't ban anyone. There is a full competition calendar for men, ladies and juniors.

If I have to explain cat 1 and 2 to those on this thread then they're not qualified to discuss the merits of WHS.

So they all have equal access to the course at all times?

 

[Voyager EMH]

I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve heard.” See there’s a 46 in” as I’m having coffee before my tee time.
In 40+ years the best I shot was 44 pts

I haven't done as good a score as that in 40 years.

But 47 years ago I shot level par playing off 8.
Never done as low a nett score since.

 

[IanMac]

Whenever we run a competition there is, with about two exceptions a year a similar parallel competition for the other sections to enter or the competition is for everyone either that or the competition is a roll up. Banning access on age or gender seems old fashioned and wrong in this day and age.

If you have only one course and everyone wants to play on the same day I would think your club's approach makes sense.

 

[IanMac]

So they all have equal access to the course at all times?

No. That wouldn't work. We have quite a complex arrangement but I'm not explaining it on here. Equality for all all of time would only make sense if everyone was equal in golf but there are different tees and different pars etc. I know WHS claims to have equalled things out but it hasn't really worked out. What's more, if everyone who wanted to play competition golf turned up on the same course on the same day we couldn't cater for them. Some members would have to leave. Is that the equality we're after?

 

[D-S]

I haven't done as good a score as that in 40 years.

But 47 years ago I shot level par playing off 8.
Never done as low a nett score since.

I thought no one ever shot 8 under their handicap ever pre 2020?

 

[IanMac]

I thought no one ever shot 8 under their handicap ever pre 2020?

Only 44 points. Mediocre by WHS standards

 

[D-S]

No. That wouldn't work. We have quite a complex arrangement but I'm not explaining it on here. Equality for all all of time would only make sense if everyone was equal in golf but there are different tees and different pars etc. I know WHS claims to have equalled things out but it hasn't really worked out. What's more, if everyone who wanted to play competition golf turned up on the same course on the same day we couldn't cater for them. Some members would have to leave. Is that the equality we're after?

Equal access surely has to be the goal in 2024.

 

[wjemather]

Quite frankly the idea of all juniors being able to play in all competitions is ridiculous.

Why? Because adults can't cope with potentially being beaten by children?

And before you mention rapid improvement, increased opportunities to provide evidence of improving ability through competition minimises big leaps from one comp to the next, and new golfers in their 20s and 30s often improve far more quickly than any teenager.

 

[AussieKB]

If you have a full field, who should get preference ?
someone paying full subs or someone paying a tenth ?

 

[wjemather]

If I have to explain cat 1 and 2 to those on this thread then they're not qualified to discuss the merits of WHS.

People in glass houses...

 

[IanMac]

If you have a full field, who should get preference ?
someone paying full subs or someone paying a tenth ?

Good point but I would add that everyone is catered for nicely. I think a lot of those who are shocked have a very different club set up. Maybe not enough juniors to make that junior section competitive and maybe the same for ladies.

Equality must surely be about fairness, not just about treating everyone exactly the same way. That would be unfair.

 

[Voyager EMH]

I thought no one ever shot 8 under their handicap ever pre 2020?

I was 16 years old and "improving".
Previous year I had gone from 18 to 10 handicap.
Got cut from 8 to 5 for that one score.

 

[IanMac]

Equal access surely has to be the goal in 2024.

Not sure our ladies would be too keen on paying the entrance fee, or juniors for that matter.

 

[Backache]

My current club has few juniors but they are able to play in adult comps. This applies to both the mens and ladies section.

The club runs occasional mixed comps but it isn't a regular thing. There is no appetite from the ladies to join in with the mens comp regularly, they prefer having their own.

My comment was related to an adult suggesting that a junior should not play in an adult comp because an adult can not play in a junior comp. Really?..........

My point was not that a junior should not play in an adult competition because an adult cannot play in a junior competition. An adult cannot play in a senior competition either if they are under 55 . My point was that having different competitions does not equate to treating them as second class citizens. An adult is not a second class citizen because he cannot enter a junior competition the converse is also true.

Different clubs can have different rules of entry for different things without being accused of discrimination.