Official WHS Survey

[WorldHandicapSystem]

My wife and I nipping out for 9 holes on a warm summer evening....

Teeing up in the first round of the Club Championships.

Mmmmm, I wonder?

Get the ball in the hole. Same game.

It’s just your perception of it that has changed!

 

[Voyager EMH]

You might, we don’t.

The point is to get the ball in the hole.

That bit often does not happen in social golf. Winning the hole is the point not necessarily holing out.

 

[WorldHandicapSystem]

That bit often does not happen in social golf. Winning the hole is the point not necessarily holing out.

In your version of social golf. Not everyone plays the same way.

Sometimes we don’t hole out in stablefords too. This helps the higher handicaps.

It’s probably why so many people are terrible putters from 4 or 5 ft.

 

[IanM]

Get the ball in the hole. Same game.

It’s just your perception of it that has changed!

Absolutely not.

The former might not be subject to strict rules. we might jump a hole to avoid a slow game, we will have gimmies, we might have the odd mulligan, we might have the dog with us, I might carry extra clubs to test them, no scorecard etc etc etc

The other is the bleeding Club Championship! Rules, cards and pencils etc.

Completely different. But I guess there are those who just don't get it.

 

[WorldHandicapSystem]

Absolutely not.

The former might not be subject to strict rules. we might jump a hole to avoid a slow game, we will have gimmies, we might have the odd mulligan, we might have the dog with us, I might carry extra clubs to test them, no scorecard etc etc etc

The other is the bleeding Club Championship! Rules, cards and pencils etc.

Completely different. But I guess there are those who just don't get it.

The club championship is still just another round of golf. In the grand scheme of things it’s no more or less important than any other round of golf. Some people get themselves all in a tizz at the prospect of getting their name on the clubhouse wall, some of us don’t care. Yes it’s nice, but no one else really cares and it’s not going to make our lives any better. Unless maybe the club champ gets a parking space.
I think we’ve drifted too far off topic. Maybe one for another discussion

 

[IanM]

I think we’ve drifted too far off topic. Maybe one for another discussion

You've trolled people in that direction, and demonstrated an inability or unwillingness to digest words on a screen.

You argument appears to be that Adolf Hitler and Mother Theresa are "literally" (your word) the same, because they were the same species.

I guess on one level they were.

 

[Voyager EMH]

In your version of social golf. Not everyone plays the same way.

Sometimes we don’t hole out in stablefords too. This helps the higher handicaps.

It’s probably why so many people are terrible putters from 4 or 5 ft.

Not "literally the same", then.

 

[Deleted member 30522]

In your version of social golf. Not everyone plays the same way.

Sometimes we don’t hole out in stablefords too. This helps the higher handicaps.

It’s probably why so many people are terrible putters from 4 or 5 ft.

Huh? Bit it's "literally the same thing" isn't it?

 

[Voyager EMH]

The club championship is still just another round of golf. In the grand scheme of things it’s no more or less important than any other round of golf. Some people get themselves all in a tizz at the prospect of getting their name on the clubhouse wall, some of us don’t care. Yes it’s nice, but no one else really cares and it’s not going to make our lives any better. Unless maybe the club champ gets a parking space.
I think we’ve drifted too far off topic. Maybe one for another discussion

Is it some of us don't care or no one else that doesn't care?

Is it only me that cares and no one else?

I would think that more than 95% who have their name on a board care and a significant number who have yet to get their name on a board also care.

I don't really care about those who don't care.

 

[Deleted member 30522]

One season at one club is hardly a deep statistical analysis of the WHS. Just posting winners handicaps tells us nothing.

It's been more than one season, and an example of what is being complained about at many clubs.

I spent about an hour digging that out one Saturday night, as it's rather labourious as you can imagine. You really think I have the time or inclination to do similar for previous years when I get condescending in reply like you and mjw who will just say black is white whatever you show them?

It showed exactly what I'd said and was challenged to prove it, even then mjw spent hours going through my club's results to find one typo, and one error that actually made my argument stronger. I find that dedication to proving he's right (even when he's wrong) is quite special

 

[WorldHandicapSystem]

Huh? Bit it's "literally the same thing" isn't it?

Yes, the point is to get the ball in the hole. If you don’t, you don’t score. Not that difficult toy understand.

 

[WorldHandicapSystem]

You've trolled people in that direction, and demonstrated an inability or unwillingness to digest words on a screen.

You argument appears to be that Adolf Hitler and Mother Theresa are "literally" (your word) the same, because they were the same species.

I guess on one level they were.

Great analogy.

Golf is golf, just because you perceive a comp as different to a social round doesn’t change the fact you hit a ball with a stick to get it into a hole.

 

[ExRabbit]

It's being looked at through the survey. If there is a major(ity) issue, it will likely be addressed. There will always be objectors who feel like victims.

Wtf?

 

[Deleted member 36483]

Not to care about competition is a strange trait to have if you are still playing this game off 4 and after 26 years. Unusual in my experience at least.

But everyone is entitled to their view I guess.

 

[ExRabbit]

This place has become a toxic ****hole. I think I'll do the same thing as with Wordle and take a break.

 

[wjemather]

It's been more than one season, and an example of what is being complained about at many clubs.

I spent about an hour digging that out one Saturday night, as it's rather labourious as you can imagine. You really think I have the time or inclination to do similar for previous years when I get condescending in reply like you and mjw who will just say black is white whatever you show them?

It showed exactly what I'd said and was challenged to prove it, even then mjw spent hours going through my club's results to find one typo, and one error that actually made my argument stronger. I find that dedication to proving he's right (even when he's wrong) is quite special

It certainly did not. This has been conclusively demonstrated several times; see #939-#942 for the most recent summary, where you even attempted to deny ever making at least one claim.

Who is mjw?

 

[Deleted member 36483]

Played this morning with a fella who won our matchplay cup this year. Prior to WHS I would have been giving him 2 shots in a match. If I'd played him this year he'd have got 7 shots. I casually asked him what he thought of WHS and his reply was that it works for him.

He's in that sweet spot previously identified by others on this forum of 10-18 handicappers who have the odd bad hole but are very capable players. Yes, it does work for him and he didn't seem to care if it doesn't work for everyone.

 

[wjemather]

Played this morning with a fella who won our matchplay cup this year. Prior to WHS I would have been giving him 2 shots in a match. If I'd played him this year he'd have got 7 shots. I casually asked him what he thought of WHS and his reply was that it works for him.

He's in that sweet spot previously identified by others on this forum of 10-18 handicappers who have the odd bad hole but are very capable players. Yes, it does work for him and he didn't seem to care if it doesn't work for everyone.

The same could easily have happened in 4 years under UHS.

 

[WorldHandicapSystem]

Not to care about competition is a strange trait to have if you are still playing this game off 4 and after 26 years. Unusual in my experience at least.

But everyone is entitled to their view I guess.

I’ve played in and won more than enough to realise it’s just not that important.

If it is too fair enough. You win a board comp and go home, after saying well done, the wife still wants the grass cutting and the kids want taking somewhere. So as I said, it’s not that important and nobody really cares but you.

I just enjoy playing golf with my family and mates. Sometimes we enter the weekend comp, sometimes we don’t. Either way, we play by the rules and we put cards in. So what’s the difference?

 

[WorldHandicapSystem]

Played this morning with a fella who won our matchplay cup this year. Prior to WHS I would have been giving him 2 shots in a match. If I'd played him this year he'd have got 7 shots. I casually asked him what he thought of WHS and his reply was that it works for him.

He's in that sweet spot previously identified by others on this forum of 10-18 handicappers who have the odd bad hole but are very capable players. Yes, it does work for him and he didn't seem to care if it doesn't work for everyone.

10 seems a bit arbitrary to be the tipping point. From your stats what is the exact index at which we become uncompetitive?