Official WHS Survey

[IanM]

Discussion in the same vein from national broadcasters :

BBC Sounds - The Chipping Forecast

Join Andrew, Eddie and Iain for a golf show that doesn't take itself seriously.

www.bbc.co.uk

The topic is live. To suggest there is not widespread discontent is fingers in the ears.

Really enjoy the Chipping Forecast.

Iain Carter has a point. When I started playing, if you were played a properly holed out round that was non qualifying (eg a Society Day) you were encouraged to put the card in, if you beat your handicap. That's all he was saying, and he got stick for it.



I love the condescending way some folk appear to be confusing "challenge" with a lack of understanding.

 

[Voyager EMH]

Juniors should not be focussing too much on "winning" in competitions
They should be trying to become competent golfers and increasing their skill in the same way as others would do with their hobby of playing a musical instrument, painting, martial arts, etc.

Reducing their handicaps along the way will be a great indicator for them that they are achieving in this direction.

The trouble with this is when they are exposed to an adult culture of enjoying a higher handicap than your ability and "winning" as the main goal.
When I started as a junior, the culture that I describe as desirable was very much what I remember.

Becoming a good golfer was the goal. This took dedication and application. As did so many other things in life.
Having fun appears to be much more of a goal these days.

High handicap = fun - - this appears to be true.
Low handicap = not so much fun - - also true and you join the club of boring whingeing losers.

I think things had been moving in this direction before WHS introduced in GB&I.
Whether WHS has contributed or exacerbated to this is debateable - and a debate is justified.

The completely unfair 2s sweeps have continued to make competition entry worthwhile for me.
But my goal remains the same as it ever was. I want to see my handicap be as low as it can possibly be. I have this in mind every time I play. Ain't gonna change.
Boring whingeing loser me.

 

[Deleted member 36483]

It’s easy to see why some of you are still struggling to understand the WHS.

Read what I wrote slowly and tell me if it was a statement of fact or a question.

Instead of the constant nonsense and deflection. Try and answer some of the questions you can’t or won’t answer. I don’t mind which account you post them from.

I don't debate on a subject I don't have an understanding of. That would be daft.

 

[Voyager EMH]

I don't debate on a subject I don't have an understanding of. That would be daft.

Might be fun, though.
You could be given a high handicap for having little skill and knowledge in that area and win loads of debates.

 

[Deleted member 36483]

Juniors should not be focussing too much on "winning" in competitions
They should be trying to become competent golfers and increasing their skill in the same way as others would do with their hobby of playing a musical instrument, painting, martial arts, etc.

Reducing their handicaps along the way will be a great indicator for them that they are achieving in this direction.

The trouble with this is when they are exposed to an adult culture of enjoying a higher handicap than your ability and "winning" as the main goal.
When I started as a junior, the culture that I describe as desirable was very much what I remember.

Becoming a good golfer was the goal. This took dedication and application. As did so many other things in life.
Having fun appears to be much more of a goal these days.

High handicap = fun - - this appears to be true.
Low handicap = not so much fun - - also true and you join the club of boring whingeing losers.

I think things had been moving in this direction before WHS introduced in GB&I.
Whether WHS has contributed or exacerbated to this is debateable - and a debate is justified.

The completely unfair 2s sweeps have continued to make competition entry worthwhile for me.
But my goal remains the same as it ever was. I want to see my handicap be as low as it can possibly be. I have this in mind every time I play. Ain't gonna change.
Boring whingeing loser me.

Agree.

One of the problems we've already identified, and all seems to be in agreement on, with WHS is the ability for it to be taken advantage of. We now have a set of juniors with handicaps that cannot be trusted. That applies to them being too low. Juniors are actually more likely to be competing for bragging rights now, the trophy competitions are poorly supported now. Makes it tricky to pick the junior teams and junior, handicap especially, matches against other clubs are a bit of a farce. Who'd be a junior coordinator nowadays. Somebody has to but it's not the joy it should be.

 

[PaulMdj]

Juniors should not be focussing too much on "winning" in competitions
They should be trying to become competent golfers and increasing their skill in the same way as others would do with their hobby of playing a musical instrument, painting, martial arts, etc.

Reducing their handicaps along the way will be a great indicator for them that they are achieving in this direction.

The trouble with this is when they are exposed to an adult culture of enjoying a higher handicap than your ability and "winning" as the main goal.
When I started as a junior, the culture that I describe as desirable was very much what I remember.

Becoming a good golfer was the goal. This took dedication and application. As did so many other things in life.
Having fun appears to be much more of a goal these days.

High handicap = fun - - this appears to be true.
Low handicap = not so much fun - - also true and you join the club of boring whingeing losers.

I think things had been moving in this direction before WHS introduced in GB&I.

The completely unfair 2s sweeps have continued to make competition entry worthwhile for me.
But my goal remains the same as it ever was. I want to see my handicap be as low as it can possibly be. I have this in mind every time I play. Ain't gonna change.
Boring whingeing loser me.

I agree with your “goal” and mine remains the same.

I disagree with you about the Juniors though, I took over as our JLO 6 years ago and at the time we had 4, yes, 4 Juniors on the books and membership was free to them.
One of the first things I did was take a close look at the Club and why Juniors didn’t want to join, one of many factors was the Club itself was unwelcoming, a Junior had to have a Handicap of 9 or below to enter Club Comps and many other internal issues.

So we relaunched the Juniors, helped by “Get in to Golf” grants from England Golf, did taster sessions in local schools and after 5 years I stood back and handed over a thriving Junior Section of over 50 kids to the new JLO, each paying £50.00 per year membership.

One of the best things we did was introduce a Junior set of tees, which are rated, and introduce Junior Comps in the following categories. 7-9, 10-12, 13-16 & 17-18.

We don’t stop an 8yr old entering older comps if they want or are good enough, but by structuring comps and giving them a “real” handicap it has enabled them to see a viable path whilst improving and winning along the way.

You really do have to make it fun initially to want the kid to learn and stick with it.

A few of the kids are now invited to County Coaching and recently one of the Girls won a Club Ladies Comp.

It’s a fine balance between keeping and losing these Juniors, but I can assure you, if it isn’t fun, you’ve lost them already.

 

[Deleted member 36483]

The completely unfair 2s sweeps have continued to make competition entry worthwhile for me.

Yes, should be net 2s!

We have some low guys that just play for 2s and choose to play off the ladies tees to make it easier.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Really enjoy the Chipping Forecast.

Iain Carter has a point. When I started playing, if you were played a properly holed out round that was non qualifying (eg a Society Day) you were encouraged to put the card in, if you beat your handicap. That's all he was saying, and he got stick for it.



I love the condescending way some folk appear to be confusing "challenge" with a lack of understanding.

How did people put the cards in then ? Signed and given to the Handicap Sec

What about the guys in Cat 1

Remember I played an inter club match against the staff and I played the club Secretary- I played well , then he went into the office after and cut me 4 shots

 

[clubchamp98]

Confused. You can't not have use UHS. I guess it was strange when you asked about handicaps being cut when no one broke par. The CSS was used in the old system and adjusted based on field performance and conditions so it was strange that you didn't appear to know that.

Would a Bot know these things?

 

[clubchamp98]

Instead of the constant nonsense and deflection. Try and answer some of the questions you can’t or won’t answer. I don’t mind which account you post them from.

Ok given you like answers can you tell me what Bypassing the course design means?
By playing from the white tees.

To refresh your memory.
“Bypassing the course design like Clubchamp does “ a quote from you!

 

[WorldHandicapSystem]

Ok given you like answers can you tell me what Bypassing the course design means?
By playing from the white tees.

To refresh your memory.
“Bypassing the course design like Clubchamp does “ a quote from you!

It means that you pick and choose the tees you play to best suit the strengths or weaknesses of your game.

As I said. Your mate Ian was picking you up on the fact you pick your tees based on the fact you can’t reach some bunkers.
My comment was that by laying back you statistically make your approach shots harder. Obviously in your case you are not hampered by the longer approach shots.

Hope this answers your question.

 

[WorldHandicapSystem]

Juniors should not be focussing too much on "winning" in competitions
They should be trying to become competent golfers and increasing their skill in the same way as others would do with their hobby of playing a musical instrument, painting, martial arts, etc.

Reducing their handicaps along the way will be a great indicator for them that they are achieving in this direction.

The trouble with this is when they are exposed to an adult culture of enjoying a higher handicap than your ability and "winning" as the main goal.
When I started as a junior, the culture that I describe as desirable was very much what I remember.

Becoming a good golfer was the goal. This took dedication and application. As did so many other things in life.
Having fun appears to be much more of a goal these days.

High handicap = fun - - this appears to be true.
Low handicap = not so much fun - - also true and you join the club of boring whingeing losers.

I think things had been moving in this direction before WHS introduced in GB&I.
Whether WHS has contributed or exacerbated to this is debateable - and a debate is justified.

The completely unfair 2s sweeps have continued to make competition entry worthwhile for me.
But my goal remains the same as it ever was. I want to see my handicap be as low as it can possibly be. I have this in mind every time I play. Ain't gonna change.
Boring whingeing loser me.

I too was only interested in my ability to shoot lower scores when I started playing, and still am.

My son is the same. He is only interested in his gross score, as no interest in stablefords or other formats designed to make it easier for lower ability players.

If you base your joy of the game on the outcome of an arbitrary competition you have no control over, you are setting yourself up for a lifetime of being miserable.

The real competition is between a player and the course. That is the real joy.

In my opinion if you are serious about playing competition golf against others, that has to be scratch comps.

 

[Orikoru]

Christ - I hadn't checked this topic for a week or so and I've missed 27 pages in that time.

The debate rumbles on... only the usernames have changed.

 

[LincolnShep]

Christ - I hadn't checked this topic for a week or so and I've missed 27 pages in that time.

The debate rumbles on... only the usernames have changed.

You have missed literally nothing.

 

[The Fader]

Honestly folks, 60+ pages is enough!!

It's just the all too usual forum circular argument. Nothing anyone says is going to change the opposing opinion.

Statistics are like bricks - you can build houses of just break widows!

 

[Deleted member 36483]

I think you have a choice whether you want to read and participate or not. There are many threads on here that are of no interest to me but I don't bomb them with my discontent.

 

[rulefan]

I think you have a choice whether you want to read and participate or not. There are many threads on here that are of no interest to me but I don't bomb them with my discontent.

But you seem to be 'bombing' this thread with your discontent.

 

[AussieKB]

But you seem to be 'bombing' this thread with your discontent.

I think he is allowed his say, just like all the others that bomb it with WHS is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

 

[rulefan]

I think he is allowed his say, just like all the others that bomb it with WHS is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

He is certainly allowed his say but he has said it so many times.

 

[The Fader]

I think you have a choice whether you want to read and participate or not. There are many threads on here that are of no interest to me but I don't bomb them with my discontent.

One post is "bombing"??

I followed this thread with interest initially but the constant repetition and circular arguments becomes tiresome and I don't think I have broken any forum rules by politely saying so and giving a reason why.

If I repeat myself over and over - then I might be guilty of the charge of bombing.