Your post from yesterday implies that your swindle plays 4BBB as the format but then submits individual cards.
swindles up and down the land play 4bbb but putt out and put cards in - why would it slow things downSo you are saying the limited times I've put in a GP score and before we tee off we say "let's have a game of doubles for a pint" then proceed to play the round to the rules, putt everything out and enter the score that is invalid because we played a doubles game as a side bet?Your post from yesterday implies that your swindle plays 4BBB as the format but then submits individual cards.
But the system is there for you to put cards in
That is against the Rules of Handicaps hence the scores are invalid.
Just to pick on a small point from the wider ones made - surely the order you played in is irrelevant? Since we have ready golf etc, so for an individual strokeplay card you could have played in any order you want?
It depends whether the order played in is to show your partner the line or so your partner can ‘go for’ a putt to win the hole etc. basically the order being dictated to work best for the team not for both individual’s scores. Which is how you should play a team game if you’re doing it properly.
Seems very pedantic to me. I've told a mate who's nearer to putt first before, to save him marking it etc. If it also happens to show me the line then that's by the by.
If you've nothing to compare it to, how can you possibly judge?
Yep. Like advice makes any difference to the carnage that ensues when I'm holding a putter.Seems very pedantic to me. I've told a mate who's nearer to putt first before, to save him marking it etc. If it also happens to show me the line then that's by the by.
None of it is worth losing sleep over. Whether you're playing individual or betterball you're still trying to play the hole in the lowest score you can, so it makes no different in my opinion. As I say, the minute differences in 'going for putts' etc (which is nonsense anyway) are just pedantry.
Well the questions are, "do you think WHS accomplishes x", not, "do you think WHS does x better than the old system?"
So you don't know whether the old system accomplished "x" better or not then?
What it boils down to for me is “which rules of handicap or golf are you prepared to deliberately ignore’. If you ignore one ( and it is irrelevant which one), how does that reflect on how others perceive your integrity?Seems very pedantic to me. I've told a mate who's nearer to putt first before, to save him marking it etc. If it also happens to show me the line then that's by the by.
None of it is worth losing sleep over. Whether you're playing individual or betterball you're still trying to play the hole in the lowest score you can, so it makes no different in my opinion. As I say, the minute differences in 'going for putts' etc (which is nonsense anyway) are just pedantry.
No one in the real world will care if your handicap-counting round included you putting 'out of turn' and hearing 'advice' from someone that you probably ignored or failed to follow anyway. None of these affect the score in any discernible way. Just relax.
So you don't know whether the old system accomplished "x" better or not then?
Yes some people like a moan, me, I didn't moan about UHS, I thought it was a very good system, it's one flaw was course ratings (or SSS in old money), ironically that's the ONLY part of it retained by WHS
We've adopted a system largely driven by Americans who rarely play competitive club golf but rather hold their handicaps from casual play, it does not work for the UK country's competitive club golf
Remember, perfectly legal to hire Sheffler's caddie for your Sunday Stableford and have him advise you on every shot; outright cheating if Bob the plasterer tells you he used a 7-iron of a totally different brand and loft to yours.No one in the real world will care if your handicap-counting round included you putting 'out of turn' and hearing 'advice' from someone that you probably ignored or failed to follow anyway. None of these affect the score in any discernible way. Just relax.
This whole notion of "if you ignore one rule what others do you ignore!" that we always get is just whataboutery and nonsense. It's like saying if you park on a double yellow line then you're also capable of murder. It's absurd.
Mind you if Scheffler's caddie is looking for anything like the shot that Scheffler would give from me I think his advice would be disastrous.
Far too much common sense in this post and your subsequent posts. Can't be applying common sense you know, after all this is golf, the most important thing in some peoples lives.Seems very pedantic to me. I've told a mate who's nearer to putt first before, to save him marking it etc. If it also happens to show me the line then that's by the by.
None of it is worth losing sleep over. Whether you're playing individual or betterball you're still trying to play the hole in the lowest score you can, so it makes no different in my opinion. As I say, the minute differences in 'going for putts' etc (which is nonsense anyway) are just pedantry.
Agree on this, it shouldn't be so transparent and easy to do this. Old system you'd only go up 0.1 anyway for a bad round. Now you see plain as day if one of your better scores is at the bottom and work out that you'd go up by 0.5 or 1.0 if you put a bad card in. Or, perhaps we on the forum live in a bit of a microcosm of understanding it because we've talked about it, and the vast majority of golfers don't really know how it works anyway? I'm not sure.
I think there a lot of sense here .
That was my one complaint when I filled in the survey, it's just far too easy to manipulate your handicap upwards if you are that way inclined.