Arthur Wedge
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No I want a system that’s fair and gives everyone the same opportunity- the WHS doesn’t allow that
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PaulMdj
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I think it is a fair system that gives everyone the same opportunity, if used correctly.
Unfortunately it is the users abusing the system that are spoiling it.
Arthur Wedge
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Yeah that’s fair - it’s a system that has very much opened itself up to abuse very easily
The worst thing for that was the App
PaulMdj
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100%, they need to wise up to that and try to address it.
wjemather
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No such system is possible, but WHS is the closest we have ever had.
Arthur Wedge
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It’s far from the closet we ever had - if anything it’s far worse than the previous system which appear to give every one a chance
PaulMdj
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Unfortunately I disagree, I agree about any system being infallible, but it is far more common now and the availability of the App.
wjemather
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So the system is fair now? Make your mind up.
Arthur Wedge
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“Unfortunately it is the users abusing the system that are spoiling it.”
Which is the statement I was agreeing with
PaulMdj
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Did you miss the part of the users abusing it!
When somebody drink drives, do we blame the Car or the driver?
wjemather
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You're making my point for me.
People here are blaming the system when what they actually have an issue with is some of the people using it.
Arthur Wedge
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The app is part of the system
The handicap allowances for some team games is part of the system
The way the 8 out 20 is part of the systems
And it’s all open to abuse
IanMac
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You say that with such conviction. And yet so many on here wouldn't agree. If everyone who played golf was statistically likely to try equally on every shot they played and the weather conditions were roughly the same for everyone on every casual round and everyone was fair-minded and we got to put in cards 12 months of the year and everyone practiced the same amount and everyone played 1.5 rounds per week on average then, yes, it might just work.
It's a system designed by statisticians, probably on the spectrum, who have no real club golf experience.
wjemather
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Incorrect. The app is only a means of accessing the system. And are you really blaming the app for the behaviour of the people using it?
Allowances and calculations are part of the system.
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Arthur Wedge
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D-S
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For the system to work correctly it requires careful oversight from a diligent, knowledgeable , committed handicap committee with good communication and educational skills. If every club had one of these then it should/would work very well.
Unfortunately this is not the case.
Unfortunately this is not the case.
IanMac
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That might be the case within a particular club but there needs to be wider trust between clubs. Here in Ireland our union, or whatever it's called now, has decreed that your interclub competition handicap is your lowest index from the previous calendar year and you must have played at least 4 competitions although they don't have to score in your top 8 in 20.
So sticking plasters already.
wjemather
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The bit in bold has been a problem from the top down. The (apparent) failure of initial and subsequent education (imo largely due to overloading with unnecessary calculations and convoluted cartoons rather than focusing on a few simple basic fundamentals, and player responsibilities) is a big hurdle to overcome.
wjemather
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Can you link to this policy please?
IanMac
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Additional eligibility criteria for Inter-Club competitions in 2025
In 2025, Golf Ireland will introduce two new elements to the Handicap eligibility criteria for most inter-club competitions.
www.golfireland.ie
That's the latest add-on mentioning the 4 competition cards. Let me see if I can find the lowest last year index which has been in place for at least two seasons.