AussieKB
Well-known member
Shot 4 over today for 36 points, am gutted I did not hole out of the bunker, missed chipping in twice and also missed 5 birdie putts otherwise I would have beaten the 41 handicapper who had 43 points.
RichA
Well-known member
Maybe practice a bit harder.
nickjdavis
Head Pro
Out of interest....and I have asked this before without response....what proportion of male golfers at your club have handicaps greater than 36 ?
You seem to be blighted with them at every turn from the tone of your posts.
In fact....I will throw the same question out there to anyone involved in handicapping at their club who has access to the handicapping records or anyone who might be able to make a rough estimate.
I'll start...
Out of 403 male golfers we just have 2 guys above 40, a further 4 above 36 and then 45 more higher than 28.
You can see the h/c list from your club via HowDidIDo.
We have 3 men over 40, 2 men between 36 and 40, 12 between 28 and 36. Around 250 members I believe.
wjemather
Well-known member
So, 36 points wasn't a winning score - nothing unusual there. No exceptional or unattainable scores either.
It only reinforces the perception of low handicap entitlement every time someone moans about a good gross score not winning in a handicap competition, especially when they've barely managed to play to their handicap.
Say stuff like this in the bar and you'd likely get laughed out of it.
It only reinforces the perception of low handicap entitlement every time someone moans about a good gross score not winning in a handicap competition, especially when they've barely managed to play to their handicap.
Say stuff like this in the bar and you'd likely get laughed out of it.
Arthur Wedge
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wjemather
Well-known member
4 out of 500 men have HIs over 36; 1 of them is in the 40s and 2 are above 50. We have 40 men with HIs between 28 and 36.
The vast majority of these players are declining seniors and none have won any competitions.
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PJ87
Journeyman Pro
One for the experts
Why does handicap index affect 9 hole differentials when converting to 18?
Myself and another member hit same score and our results ended up 2.9 apart as his handicap is higher
Why does handicap index affect 9 hole differentials when converting to 18?
Myself and another member hit same score and our results ended up 2.9 apart as his handicap is higher
wjemather
Well-known member
9-hole scores are scaled up using an "Expected Scores" algorithm, with the result based on the HI of each player.
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
I never even realised this until today
Just caught my eye when I got a better score than him off the same strokes
Dunesman
Active member
We have 490 golfers. 13 are above 36. They dont feature, and arent a problem.
More prominent is that we have 76 golfer abive the old 28.
The competition issue ones are more the middle rank. The long term regular players in the 14-22 range who can play - an 18 of old who surprises everyone when he appears as the winner - off 21. And people are saying he is never a 21, how did that happen ? Very shortly later, is back to 18. A syndrome that has some conclude it is the cheats charter element of WHS and that they are manipulating their handicap and putting in GP cards in order to get a win. But in my view they are not. In many cases they dont even want what they feel are extra shots. But a few bad rounds in as little as a week has pushed them up there. We are so numerous, one of us is always somewhere in that yoyo, has a good round, and leaves the rest uncompetitive.
More prominent is that we have 76 golfer abive the old 28.
The competition issue ones are more the middle rank. The long term regular players in the 14-22 range who can play - an 18 of old who surprises everyone when he appears as the winner - off 21. And people are saying he is never a 21, how did that happen ? Very shortly later, is back to 18. A syndrome that has some conclude it is the cheats charter element of WHS and that they are manipulating their handicap and putting in GP cards in order to get a win. But in my view they are not. In many cases they dont even want what they feel are extra shots. But a few bad rounds in as little as a week has pushed them up there. We are so numerous, one of us is always somewhere in that yoyo, has a good round, and leaves the rest uncompetitive.
IanMcC
Well-known member
We have 401 members with a Handicap Index. 3 of them are men with an Index of 40+. A further 2 men have indexes of 36+.
No winners amongst them this season. One of them got a minor place in a midweek comp.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Since I started putting every round in for handicap this year, I've realised that this is exact upshot of doing that. Your handicap does steadily rise until you suddenly have a very good round. I have crept up to 15 but I don't feel like I'm playing any worse, it's just that more of those 'nearly' rounds with poor scores are on my record now. I could feasibly get to 16 or even 17 before having a great round and clean up. Since we are told we're supposed to put cards in every time, this is obviously how they want the system to be. People's handicaps constantly moving up and down.
PaulMdj
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Just over 400 members, 4 are 40+ handicaps, 34 are 28+,
IanM
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The quote on the R&S Site says,
“The World Handicap System has been designed to encourage golfers to submit as many scores as possible and when they do so they will see their Handicap Index responding.”
It's a mathematical average, it can't do anything but respond, unless the same scores go in every time!
Note, it doesn't say you "must," but its a reasonable thought given the use of language. I know folk who put in every card, and some who have never put a General Play card in, so it's hugely inconsistent.
In addition, we have Clubs saying that players with too many GP Cards in won't be admitted to some Open Comps. That's a direct contravention of the above, but a reaction to what they are seeing in Open Comps. (of curse some dispute this
)Ah, what fun! Either way, I'm sure most golfers carry on oblivious, or ambivalent! Probably sensible options.
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
361 male members
27 are 28.0 and higher.
15 have HI higher than 30.0
4 of those are higher than 40.0
Seems a bit strange that there are 12 blokes 28.0 to 30.0
27 are 28.0 and higher.
15 have HI higher than 30.0
4 of those are higher than 40.0
Seems a bit strange that there are 12 blokes 28.0 to 30.0
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AussieKB
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Not sure of exact figures, but counting the two clubs I am a Member of, I would say that yesterday a couple in the 40's and about 10 36 and over.
The other club which is much smaller, they have 2 in the 40's, one on the max 45 who should take up bowls IMO, don't think he has had over 25 points, and 12 on 36 and above, so a high percentage at that club.
Have yet to play in an Open where they limit the handicap in the last 5 years.
rulefan
Tour Winner
450 males
1 @ 52 (initial h'cap)
4 @ 36+
7 @ 30+
8 Scr or better
1 @ 52 (initial h'cap)
4 @ 36+
7 @ 30+
8 Scr or better
AussieKB
Well-known member
Yesterday's comp at my old club, they held the WA PGA Championship there a couple of weeks ago.
33 single figure player's in the comp.
Dunesman
Active member
Good to see that, and that they enjoy participating even if they arent truly in the competition.
Our low handicappers moan about the situation, but they are still playing too. We have a plus 2 or plus 3 who has stopped playing club comps completely but he is the lone case from about 50 below 10hc.