No Returns and Golf Club Standards

[funkyfred]

As a new member of my first club (since March) I unfortunately had to put in my first NR a couple of weeks ago in our Monthly Medal.

I'm a 26 h/c so I do spray my shots around a bit, on a 500 yard par 5 I got myself on a fairway (after my second shot)going in the opposite direction, however I did have a shot towards the green but over a large bunch of trees, I couldn't see the green but I found a marker and walked back to my ball to play my shot. My two playing colleagues said they would look out for my ball. I played as good as shot as I could and the ball flew upwards and over the trees, I walked back around the trees and headed towards the green expecting to find my ball on the green or very near, light rough, bunker etc. Only to be told by two colleagues that they didn't see my ball.

By now the group behind had been waiting to play their shots onto the green. I didn't know what to do, call them through, or go back and play the shot again, and to be fair I probably panicked and decleared a lost ball, thus a No Return.

Not knowing exactly what to do, I carried on to finish the round (it happened on the 6 hole)and I asked my marker to carry on with my score and I was as expected given a NR.
Its not what I wanted, I felt somewhat cheeted out of a score. As it happens it didn't make any differance to the outcome of the tournament, and I was cut.1 which is what my score deserved.
The outcome is, that at the moment I do not fill that I can compete in a strokeplay competition, and have taken the decision not ot enter any more strokeplay comps, and for someone like me who is very competitive that is a hard decision. So I would much prefer if we could say score a 10 and at least enter a card.

 

[TWM]

In our senior section, the captain has introduced a "trophy", a grotty wooden duck, for the person returning the highest gross score. He reckons this will give encouragement to the struggling players on the high handicaps.
However, I see that some of the "better" players are using NRs to avoid humiliation while people like me are conscientiously turning in their scores and being humiliated.
I will be avoiding medal competitions in future.

 

[USER1999]

Funkyfred - All medal comps can be adjusted on stableford, so you can still play, and still get cut with a 10 on the card. It will just mean you don't win the medal, that's all.

Get your name down man.

 

[funkyfred]

Murphthemog - Obviously in the occasion discribed above I called a lost ball and didn't finish the hole, and any way I think my stapleford score for the other 17 holes was about 29.
But have I got this right, even in a medal comp I could still be cut even if my medal score is rubbish but my stapleford score is say 38. I have never heard of this before.
You see what holds me back is my inconsistancy, that's why I am a 26+ h/c. Quite capable of messing up a good round with a poor 2/3 holes.
I have parred ALL the holes I get two shots on,plus I have even birdied our SI 5 hole (427 yds of the yellows) twice.
I'll have to have a chat with our Comp secretary.

 

[USER1999]

Congu rules allow for stableford adjustment in strokeplay comps. Check with your secretary, and you will see.

This is why if you get a 10 on the card, instead of getting livid, you need to put it behind you, and refocus on stableford scoring.

 

[viscount17]

fred, what happens is that when it comes to handicap adjustments any hole you score more than a double on is scored as if a double (your comp score doesn't change). The adjusted score may put you into the buffer zone so avoid the 0.1 and could equally lead to a cut! (my -6 was increased to -8 this way, so 3.2 cut not 2.4).

 

[Fyldewhite]

fred, what happens is that when it comes to handicap adjustments any hole you score more than a double on is scored as if a double (your comp score doesn't change). The adjusted score may put you into the buffer zone so avoid the 0.1 and could equally lead to a cut! (my -6 was increased to -8 this way, so 3.2 cut not 2.4).

One slight adjustment: It's scored as a nett double bogey or the number that would get no points had you been playing a stableford. In other words, I have a 10 up our first (Par 4 SI 3) it scores as a 7 as I would get a shot in a Stableford. A player off 2 would be scored as a 6.

 

[Macster]

If I ever NR, it simply isnt to avoid the 'embarrasment' of posting a big score, it would be after losing a ball that I didnt expect losing, and simply not wanting to trudge back and hold the whole field up whilst I play again.
Particularly if you have a bad card in your hand, it just isnt woth it.

At my Club, if you dont hand a Card in, you go up 0.1 automatically, so it doesnt matter.

Quite why any club would ban you from the next Comp is a bit baffling to me ??
Thats simply encouraging everyone to carry on having a torrid time, and holding everyone up, for what ? Who gains ?

There are perhaps 5/6 players who NR on the bottom of every results sheet at my place, doesnt matter a bit to anyone.
I would think if it materially affected CSS that our Club would make sure everyone knew.

 

[RGDave]

As far as I know, everyone at mine hands in their cards and gets "placed" in respective division (and overall).
I'm not sure I know what an N/R is;
If our members play a stableford, if there are any blob holes, the computer records the points but also N/R on the gross score....but it's not some sort of embarrassment.....nearly everyone has these once every few games.
As for not returning cards in a medal, sometimes a player comes in and was "unable" to return a score on a specific hole or two, he doesn't get placed on the result sheet, and gets an N/R, but this is to save a disaster on the course, like after loosing 2 provisionals or whatever.
Not handing in cards to avoid some sort of humiliation/guaranteed 0.1....don't know?

Maybe I should take more notice.

 

[fat_crocodile]

Surely an NR is irrelevant in a stableford competition? If you play strokeplay then you simply record all your strokes.