No Majors for Woods this year......Good.

Jamaican though, so probably on the funny stuff.

Also, Bolt is young, and has not yet suffered the pressure of continually being expected to win over many years.

Without going over old ground, my issues with Woods are more to do with the coverage than the man. I also can't see why 1000's stand in the car park to watch him drive in, when they could be out on the course watching golf, but this is also not his fault.

He is a sports man. His job is to win. If it entertains, fine, but first and foremost he has to win. He doesn't have to smile, laugh, shake peoples hands, sign autographs or ackowledge any other distractions. He sets a standard in his mind, and yes, when he falls short he gets annoyed with himself. That is partly what makes him so good at golf.

Other sportsmen are the same. Wayne Rooney (for example)spits, is miserable, swears, etc. Yet when he is wearing the white of England, I don't see people complaining.

Maybe if some of our cricketers were so focussed, and single minded, we wouldn't be about to lose the ashes.
 
jealousy is a horrible thing and you all got it bad - I don't understand why you all think someone being really good at something can be bad for anyone, weird.

Tiger is the best thing that has happened to golf, even from the point of veiw that without him you would not have had the massive increase in technology (which I dont like but you seem to love).
 
Freddielong: I think if you care to 'read' anything that any of us has posted on the matter, you'll see that no-on has criticized him for his undoubted golfing ability at all, far from it.
What we dont like is his attitude, arrogance, and on course behaviour, particularly the spitting, which I would seriously take issue with anyone about.

And - I seriously doubt any technological advances in the game have been down to TW any more than any other player, - very small minded to assume that he is the only factor in that respect.
 
What about the massive interest that follows woods, which has lead to a massive increase in the numbers of golfers taking up the game all over the world, which has inturn lead to a massive increase in the budgets in the R&D departments of the majority of companys, Maybe that never happend either then.
 
What about the massive interest that follows woods, which has lead to a massive increase in the numbers of golfers taking up the game all over the world, which has inturn lead to a massive increase in the budgets in the R&D departments of the majority of companys, Maybe that never happend either then.
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If it wasn't TW it would be some other golfer as history has shown, to make a statement that the world of golf has changed because of TW is naive at the least.

TW has once again shown the world his arrogance, poor etiquette and childish behaviour on the golf course. If you heard about what Yang said before the final round and TW winning 71 comps and him just the 1 and Yang came out with "well that means I have a 71-1 chance of winning", totally said in humour, that's the attitude most people want to see from the top players. I am not saying everyone or even Yang doesn't have bad days but TW as you mention is meant to be the greatest ever!! To me the greatest are more than just good golfers, they are the statesman of the game and are expected to act accordingly.
 
Have to say freddie, companies had already moved on in terms of technology. We went from wooden drivers to metal, balata to three and now four piece balls and the wedge and putter market have always been full of new and varied designs.

Look at TM for example and their innovation with the Spider putter. Woods is a Nike man so no lucrative endorsements there, but a piece of kit designed to lure joe public into thinking they are now a good putter and maybe just helping them to do so.

That is one example picked at random. Look at fashion. That has certainly changed in the last five years alone even with Woods who is conservative in his fashion. You can now buy shirts and trousers in every colour you like which has got to be a good thing in helping golf lose its stuffy image.

I think Woods has certainly helped bring a whole new generation of golfers into the sport and at a time when clubs need as many members as possible that isn't a bad thing. However the game, and changes in technology (ping eye clubs, TM burner driver, pro V balls etc) were here before Woods and will continue after he has retired.
 
If it wasn't TW it would be some other golfer as history has shown, to make a statement that the world of golf has changed because of TW is naive at the least.
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So Tiger is not that special

I think it is you being naive Tiger Woods has changed golf in so many ways anyone who does not think so is kidding themselves - Just look at the size of the purses the players play for now, also golfers are now almost all atheletes, before it wasn't that important and a few used the gym, equipment has changed to accomadate this, Massive R&D budgets Golf courses are longer (even Augusta admited to trying to Tiger proof there course).
 
So Tiger is not that special
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I never said that, what I said was he is nothing on the greats due to his arrogance and poor sportsmanship.

I find it funny that these TW lovers are usually the ones that roll up on a Sunday medal with black trousers and a red polo on lol.
 
I think if you take any young man heap on him nothing but adulation and praise, add into it more cash than you can imagine, more media coverage than the royal family, chase them 24/7 with TV camera's, so that they have to employ an army of security, and back away from the average joe - you are not going to end up up with a well rounded individual, and IMO Tiger does alright and isn't as bad as some.
 
I find it funny that these TW lovers are usually the ones that roll up on a Sunday medal with black trousers and a red polo on lol.
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What's wrong with that... doesn't mean you're copying anybody does it?

Does it mean I'm a "TW lover" if that's what I wear on the course one day?
 
I use to play at Wimbledon COmmon where red tops are mandatory to let the public know golfers were around. They were there for over 100 years so I think red shirts and black trousers were around long before TW especially in their club championships!
 
I have lots of black trousers, and a couple of red tops. I like red. I like all bright colours. Doesn't mean I want to look like TW though. I am the wrong colour for a start, and don't play Nike.
 
I never said that, what I said was he is nothing on the greats due to his arrogance and poor sportsmanship.
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Sorry, I think you're looking at the past with rose tinted glasses.
All the greats were arrogant on the course.

Tiger's gamesmanship on the course would be understood by the greats. Don't believe they didn't apply pressure to their opponents in every way possible.

I loved watching Lee Trevino but he psyched more players than anyone else in the history of the game. He destroyed Tony Jacklin. But he's still a great in my opinion.
 
Tiger's gamesmanship on the course would be understood by the greats. Don't believe they didn't apply pressure to their opponents in every way possible.
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I didn't see Seve spitting on the green or throwing his clubs not forgetting walking off to the next tee whilst his partner whom he is meant to be scoring for is still putting out. I don't see how the above points are "pressure to their opponents", its poor etiquette above anything else and you wonder why we have crowd like the Yanks spoiling the game.
 
Give it time,not all of us like Tiger in any way,yes we appreciate his ability,and in all fairness he will probably be remembered as the best of all time,but i cant stand his fits,and sulks,tantrums club throwing,swearing etc.


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You forgot to mention his spitting, disgusting.
 
Reading through the above sounded like thought for the day broadcast each morning on radio scotland.

A wee bit sermon like.
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You're right Tommo

Sorry, it was late and I was bored.

I think I've been listening a bit too much to Rich Lerner.

I shall try to preach no more, take care.
 
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