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[Deleted member 16999]

Do you mean Immigrants who come to the country to work legally

Or Asylum Seekers looking for protection ?

^^This Delc^^

 

[Ethan]

Yes we have always taken a few, e.g. Jews fleeing persecution in Hitler's Germany, West Indians to fill public sector jobs after WW2, Ugandan Asians, etc, but not millions of mainly economic migrants, as we have had more recently.

Well maybe we should stop starting unnecessary wars that destabilise an entire region leading to the collapse of the local society and millions of displaced people. The U.K. (with help from the US) broke it, so they need to clear up the damage.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well maybe we should stop starting unnecessary wars that destabilise an entire region leading to the collapse of the local society and millions of displaced people. The U.K. (with help from the US) broke it, so they need to clear up the damage.

The U.K. broke Syria ?

And unnecessary ?

Are you really blaming the UK for the destabilisation of the Middle East ? ( unless you are going back to the crusades )!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Well maybe we should stop starting unnecessary wars that destabilise an entire region leading to the collapse of the local society and millions of displaced people. The U.K. (with help from the US) broke it, so they need to clear up the damage.

Maybe simplistic, add a few more countries to who broke it and I'd agree wholeheartedly.

 

[delc]

Well maybe we should stop starting unnecessary wars that destabilise an entire region leading to the collapse of the local society and millions of displaced people. The U.K. (with help from the US) broke it, so they need to clear up the damage.

Think it was more the US with a little bit of help from Tony Blair! We should not have invaded Iraq or Afghanistan, as this hardly solved the problems, and actually made things much worse.

 

[SocketRocket]

no its not - plenty of space.

Space isn't the problem, there are plenty of remote areas that you could drop people off into. The problem is how do you create support services for them? England is seriously overpopulated, it is one of the highest populated countries in the world per sq kilometer. People coming to these shores will want to live where there is housing, jobs, hospitals, schools, shops etc.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Think it was more the US with a little bit of help from Tony Blair! We should not have invaded Iraq or Afghanistan, as this hardly solved the problems, and actually made things much worse.

Which problems exactly are you talking about ?

A dictator murdering thousands of innocent people or a terrorist organisation responsible for killing thousands and one controlling a country by fear with no hope for the locals ?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

As someone directly involved in NHS recruitment, we will employ from any nation providing they are NMC registered. For some that's a straightforward process as their home qualification will be recognised by the NMC. Others need to do an Overseas Nursing Programme to translate their home based skills and prove to the NMC they are fit to practice. Others will need to go through the recognised nursing qualifications. The issue we have is that my trust along with most others simply cannot get qualified nurses of any ethnicity through the doors quick enough and so the reliance on agency nursing and the cost and differences in level of care remain

 

[Ethan]

The U.K. broke Syria ?

And unnecessary ?

Are you really blaming the UK for the destabilisation of the Middle East ? ( unless you are going back to the crusades )!

All recent stuff. Richard the Lionheart is not directly to blame.

The activities of the US and UK since the 1950s, but particularly since the 1980s have included encouraging Islam to combat Communism in Afghanistan, and in doing so supported the Mujahideen, the forerunners of the Taliban, Al Qaeda and ISIS. The UK and US didn't give a toss when Assad was being a despot, just as they didn't care when Saddam was doing likewise, but once the oil was threatened, that was a different story so they blundered in and wrecked the place. Added to which the UK and US knew Saddam had nothing to do with WMD or 9/11 yet they started that war and destabilised the balance of power in the region, thus emboldening Iran, supporters of Assad, and encouraging them to develop their nuclear capabilities, thus getting Israel all het up.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Space isn't the problem, there are plenty of remote areas that you could drop people off into. The problem is how do you create support services for them? England is seriously overpopulated, it is one of the highest populated countries in the world per sq kilometer. People coming to these shores will want to live where there is housing, jobs, hospitals, schools, shops etc.

Well put. Add in the inevitable cost of benefits once they become entitled, and the bill is massive. You simply can't keep building and building and where do these people go?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

All recent stuff. Richard the Lionheart is not directly to blame.

The activities of the US and UK since the 1950s, but particularly since the 1980s have included encouraging Islam to combat Communism in Afghanistan

Should they have stood back and let Russia invade then and offer no help ? - What was the UK role in that exactly ?

, and in doing so supported the Mujahideen, the forerunners of the Taliban, Al Qaeda and ISIS. The UK and US didn't give a toss when Assad was being a despot, just as they didn't care when Saddam was doing likewise, but once the oil was threatened, that was a different story so they blundered in and wrecked the place. Added to which the UK and US knew Saddam had nothing to do with WMD or 9/11 yet they started that war and destabilised the balance of power in the region, thus emboldening Iran, supporters of Assad, and encouraging them to develop their nuclear capabilities, thus getting Israel all het up.

When did you give your evidence at the enquiry ? With that sort of information you would have solved the whole thing ?

Did Hussain not murder tens of thousands of innocent people then invade another country ?

Wrecked the place ? There are a damn sight lot of places in both Iraq and Afghan that are far better off right - schools , hospitals , people being educated and looking after themselves now - democracy being given a chance and people having a voice - the country now looking after itself.

People and terrorists from that region had already branched out before any invasion causing terror all over the world.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Should they have stood back and let Russia invade then and offer no help ? - What was the UK role in that exactly ?



When did you give your evidence at the enquiry ? With that sort of information you would have solved the whole thing ?

Did Hussain not murder tens of thousands of innocent people then invade another country ?

Wrecked the place ? There are a damn sight lot of places in both Iraq and Afghan that are far better off right - schools , hospitals , people being educated and looking after themselves now - democracy being given a chance and people having a voice - the country now looking after itself.

People and terrorists from that region had already branched out before any invasion causing terror all over the world.

Or maybe he just has a different point of view? :mmm::mmm:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Space isn't the problem, there are plenty of remote areas that you could drop people off into. The problem is how do you create support services for them? England is seriously overpopulated, it is one of the highest populated countries in the world per sq kilometer. People coming to these shores will want to live where there is housing, jobs, hospitals, schools, shops etc.

So imagine all those jobs that can be created from developing areas for people to live.

 

[Old Skier]

no its not - plenty of space.

Agreed but unfortunately the infrastructure is not there to support the influx at the moment.

 

[Ethan]

Should they have stood back and let Russia invade then and offer no help ? - What was the UK role in that exactly ?



When did you give your evidence at the enquiry ? With that sort of information you would have solved the whole thing ?

Did Hussain not murder tens of thousands of innocent people then invade another country ?

Wrecked the place ? There are a damn sight lot of places in both Iraq and Afghan that are far better off right - schools , hospitals , people being educated and looking after themselves now - democracy being given a chance and people having a voice - the country now looking after itself.

People and terrorists from that region had already branched out before any invasion causing terror all over the world.

Western Govts don't care about despots murdering their own people. They only care about self interest. The reason the US and UK started interfering by overthrowing the democratically elected Mosaddegh in 1953 was oil, and so it has remained since.

Dunno if you are keeping up with the news, but the dossier used to justify UK entry into Iraq 2 was dodgy, i.e. faked by the war criminal Blair. I also missed news of any WMD they found. Could you update me on the WMD found? You can use your evidence to the enquiry if that is easier.

The Lancet estimated that 650,000 people died as a direct or indirect result of that war. They aren't better off. American companies who used it as an opportunity to earn gazillions did quite nicely though.

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(06)69491-9/abstract

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Agreed but unfortunately the infrastructure is not there to support the influx at the moment.

Exactly. All very well having this utopian vision of building houses to let them live and contribute, but you are building more and more on green belt and even then, how do you support this influx without extra schools, shops, medical facilities etc and where does that money come from

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Western Govts don't care about despots murdering their own people.

In your opinion of course as opposed to being factual

They only care about self interest. The reason the US and UK started interfering by overthrowing the democratically elected Mosaddegh in 1953 was oil, and so it has remained since.

Dunno if you are keeping up with the news, but the dossier used to justify UK entry into Iraq 2 was dodgy, i.e. faked by the war criminal Blair. I also missed news of any WMD they found. Could you update me on the WMD found? You can use your evidence to the enquiry if that is easier.

I didnt say any WMD were found. But im sire you will provde the evidence to show that they knew there were no WMD's because unless im mistaken the actual findings of the enquiry are yet to be found out.

The Lancet estimated that 650,000 people died as a direct or indirect result of that war. They aren't better off. American companies who used it as an opportunity to earn gazillions did quite nicely though.

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(06)69491-9/abstract

Its lots of accusations at the end of the day.

I spent time out there and have seen the good that has been done - have you taken a visit ?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Agreed but unfortunately the infrastructure is not there to support the influx at the moment.

Perfect opportunity to create jobs by creating infrastructure.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Perfect opportunity to create jobs by creating infrastructure.

And the money comes from??????? Pie in the sky to suit your argument

 

[Ethan]

In your opinion of course as opposed to being factual


I spent time out there and have seen the good that has been done - have you taken a visit ?

You are hardly an objective commentator then, are you?

Did you spend time out there before the US and UK starting bombing the crap out off Iraq? That would be the benchmark for comparison, not the point when you have almost destroyed it.