Ethan
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Show me the data which proves that.
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Show me the data which proves that.
I'm inclined to think that's coincidental. Without a doubt, an increase in population, including the current baby boom, will have led to an increase in A&E admissions but that vast, vast majority of increase is very much down to the changes in GP led services.
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They must have got it from somewhere http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-34789785
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Fair does but I didn't mention private medicine
Ethan
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Well doctors working in the private sector are providing or practising private medicine, aren't they?
Ethan
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There have always been plenty of indigenous who are not GP-registered. I wasn't registered myself for years. The question is whether the EDs are now overrun by immigrants using the ED as a primary care service and whether, if that is the case, it explains the huge growth in ED attendance. Unless these immigrants are totally crocked, and that is unlikely given their demographics, it couldn't possibly explain the rise. Other factors must be involved, some of which I have described previously.
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Some do, but many have branched out.
Foxholer
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I'm pretty sure you are guessing/BS-ing on this!
Can you provide reliable evidence of your claim?
Here's an independent charity's view on the effect of immigration on the (total) NHS.
http://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/verdict/what-do-we-know-about-impact-immigration-nhs
For the record, there are 8.3 million people living in the UK who were not born here, which includes 3.0 million in the Greater London area. I guess that this figure excludes their children who were born here. No wonder our roads are now gridlocked, schools are packed out, and the NHS is under strain!
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Ethan
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Into what?
Ethan
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For the record, there are 8.3 million people living in the UK who were not born here, which includes 3.0 million in the Greater London area. I guess that this figure excludes their children who were born here. No wonder our roads are now gridlocked, schools are packed out, and the NHS is under strain!
Which record is that for? One that is stuck, perhaps?
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There appears to be at least 1 working in the pharmacy industry.
Ethan
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Pharmacies are shops that dispense medicines and sell toothpaste. Pharmaceutical Medicine is a recognised medical specialty related to the development of new medicines. The NHS needs those medicines and the revenue from conducting the clinical trials is very valuable to NHS hospitals that conduct them.
That is not what most normal people understand by private medicine and only a very small percentage of UK doctors work in the pharma industry, not enough to make any noticeable difference to NHS staffing.
A lot of immigrants came into the UK during the Blair/Brown New Labour Government. I don't remember "We will turn the UK into a multi-ethnic, multi-cultural society" being in their manifesto, but that is what they achieved. I also don't remember being asked to vote on this issue as a born and bred UK citizen!
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Thanks for that, very informative, I meant pharmaceutical but didn't know how to spell it :lol:. Don't they also make weedkiller and overcharge the NHS for their products
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what is it called now. New New Labour. It's the Labour Party. The term New Labour is now used by Labour supporters who don't wish to be associated with the sins of the Blair/Brown era even though they still voted for Labour.
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A lot of immigrants came into the UK during the Blair/Brown New Labour Government. I don't remember "We will turn the UK into a multi-ethnic, multi-cultural society" being in their manifesto, but that is what they achieved. I also don't remember being asked to vote on this issue as a born and bred UK citizen!
Immigrants have been coming into the country for centuries now.
Its been multi cultural and multi ethnic for decades and decades.
It was called 'New Labour' at the time, so that is the term I used.
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Up until Missis T was employed as a bank nurse coordinator, hiring and firing and training new care assistants. Doing yearly mandatory updates on all bank staff. I would of been of the way of thinking that your comments re bank and agency staff is purely an opinion.
However since Missis T's role was made redundant which caused much upset to her having built up an excellent dept. It has since cost me and you, Kings mill trust millions in agency staff. This is fact based upon the local MP asking through the freedom of information act on how much is Kings Mill paying in agency fees. Ironically since Missis T's role was finished.
It then begs the question, WHY?.
Having worked in the mining industry, you do not have to be blind to notice that if the government do not want something, they will do whatever it takes to make it look well ugly.
What happened in the mining industry is happening in the NHS.
PS, the guy who was treated before Missis T in A and E with a cut to his finger was of Eastern European origin. Whether he or this is a problem within the NHS I don't know, but the system that allows cuts to be treated before severe abdominal/ back pain is wrong
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SocketRocket
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Read the BBC link previously, also try reading my post before making your normal acidic comments. I have suggested there is a link between the rise in A&E numbers and the increases in immigration, the tandem increases in the two factors are more than coincidental. Also John Heyworth, the president of the College of Emergency Medicine, has said that migrants routinely visit A&E instead of going to their GP.
Please explain how around 8 million people can come to the UK, have families and not make an increase to public services.
