NHS rant alert

[Tashyboy]

Sat at home and chillin out with Missis T when I have come across a story on the BBC website.
In essence Sherwood Forest trust is in talks with a trust in Nottingham and Derby to take over the trust. It is in special maeasures and is bleeding money. It has to pay 3 million quid a month as PFI which will cost the trust 2.3 BILLION QUID til the deal expires in 2043.
Who the flippin Eck signed this deal?
It is said that government money will have to be used said ( Mark Spencer MP aka fat useless waste of space knobber pal of miners&#128544 . Others have said it needs to be copper bottomed. what's that mean ?
The very thing that narks me about this is that the people who agree to this new deal will be the same vultures who agreed to a trust in the first place.
Missis T works for this trust and loves her job ( who wouldn't holding men's peckers all day), but despises the politics that are killing "the soul" of the NHS. She ( and her pals) flogs there guts out for this Trust and feel that me, you and Joe public are being shafted when it comes to how our hospitals are being run by the people that claim to know best, (politicians).
This hospital has had more Chief execs over the last five years, positions invented, and is still in a massive financial mess. Why are these people not accountable.
Am off coz me bp is rising, and that's not good for my PD and I don't fancy going to Sherwood Forest hospitals for treatment.
Rant ( not quite ) over.

 

[pokerjoke]

Sat at home and chillin out with Missis T when I have come across a story on the BBC website.
In essence Sherwood Forest trust is in talks with a trust in Nottingham and Derby to take over the trust. It is in special maeasures and is bleeding money. It has to pay 3 million quid a month as PFI which will cost the trust 2.3 BILLION QUID til the deal expires in 2043.
Who the flippin Eck signed this deal?
It is said that government money will have to be used said ( Mark Spencer MP aka fat useless waste of space knobber pal of miners�&#56864 . Others have said it needs to be copper bottomed. what's that mean ?
The very thing that narks me about this is that the people who agree to this new deal will be the same vultures who agreed to a trust in the first place.
Missis T works for this trust and loves her job ( who wouldn't holding men's peckers all day), but despises the politics that are killing "the soul" of the NHS. She ( and her pals) flogs there guts out for this Trust and feel that me, you and Joe public are being shafted when it comes to how our hospitals are being run by the people that claim to know best, (politicians).
This hospital has had more Chief execs over the last five years, positions invented, and is still in a massive financial mess. Why are these people not accountable.
Am off coz me bp is rising, and that's not good for my PD and I don't fancy going to Sherwood Forest hospitals for treatment.
Rant ( not quite ) over.

You may well be right about what you say but not being from that area I couldn't comment.

However I have noticed and congratulations are in order you have officially become the biggest moaner on the forum.

 

[Hobbit]

Think you're losing sight of the fact that it is in special measures, and failing, because of a high mortality rate. People are dying, and you want to argue politics?!?

There's a possibility of it being run by successful Trusts with far lower DEATH rates, and you're quibbling?

 

[Blue in Munich]

Think you're losing sight of the fact that it is in special measures, and failing, because of a high mortality rate. People are dying, and you want to argue politics?!?

There's a possibility of it being run by successful Trusts with far lower DEATH rates, and you're quibbling?

And IF that high mortality rate is because they cannot afford equipment or staff because they are paying £3 million a month in interest…………….?

 

[Hobbit]

And IF that high mortality rate is because they cannot afford equipment or staff because they are paying £3 million a month in interest…………….?

Then thank God a successful, well managed Trust will take over. Queen's Med in Nott is one of the best run Trusts in the UK and, if anything, the opportunity to have them run SFT should be welcomed.

Equipment replacement is covered by the original PFI agreement - it's one of the reasons PFI's are daylight robbery.

Many Trusts have similar, and greater, levels of debt yet are not in special measures. Linking one with debt is a red herring.

 

[Tashyboy]

Think you're losing sight of the fact that it is in special measures, and failing, because of a high mortality rate. People are dying, and you want to argue politics?!?

There's a possibility of it being run by successful Trusts with far lower DEATH rates, and you're quibbling?

Its been in special measures for the last couple of years but for people that have been using it well forever. It has been drowning since the day it became a trust.
Blue has hit one of the nails on the head.
Missis T was telling me that one of her patients rang the local rag ( Chad ) and wanted a story saying what fantastic treatment she had received from the trust. The patient was told " No thanks" that won't sell papers.

Biggest moaner on the forum, cheers poker👍😁, I am chuffed I have got to retirement with all my fingers (pit joke ), but Missis T finishes in 17 months and will be leaving a job she loves and is not to chuffed at how her career is finishing to the detriment of others. 😟

 

[Foxholer]

To me, this seems fairly typical of what is happening to many 'failing' hospitals!

Government (both Tory and Labour and there were even a few by the Coalition, but certainly fewer and with altered characteristics) imposed PFI on many projects for dodgy accounting motives. Then they have offloaded the ongoing costs to the Trusts (in the case of NHS). Where these have been too much to handle - on top of the 'normal' costs involved - then patient care, staff morale and necessary capital expenditure suffers. Oh, and top management use their flexibility to move - and do so!

It's still amazing how good the NHS can be in certain areas, even in facilities that are virtual nissen huts!

Here's an interesting analysis - not sure on the bias - about the cost of PFI!

http://www.nhsforsale.info/privatisation-list/surgery/the-great-pfi-swindle.html

However, I agree with the fundamental tenet of PFI! The public sector is poor at managing large projects compared to the private sector. Unfortunately, it seems to be particularly bad at managing PFI contracts!!

 

[Tashyboy]

Think you're losing sight of the fact that it is in special measures, and failing, because of a high mortality rate. People are dying, and you want to argue politics?!?

There's a possibility of it being run by successful Trusts with far lower DEATH rates, and you're quibbling?

Hobbit there is nothing you have said that I disagree with, apart from the politics view, ( bit about that in a min).
I have actually said to Missis T, that even though your department ( urology ) is classed as excellent. The feel good factor in the hospital is rock bottom. I have told her, you may well be surprised that a successful trust may come in and appreciate what you/ your department actually do. So she may be in a win win situation. however uncertainty is a "bad man.
This is the bit about the politics that I do not understand. I have/had a mortgage and five years later I can get a better deal at another bank so I change banks. Sherwood Forest NHS trust cannot change banks and is stuck with massive debt. why?. Who allowed that to be signed?

BUT.
It is now accepted that government cash will have to be used to allow the trust to be bought out. eh why? Why not use that government cash to get out of a financial deal that is strangling the Sherwood trust during past, present and future times.
When I worked at the pit, UK coal declared itself bankrupt. Then started up the day after owing nothing to no one. Even had my pants down on my pension. If there Bank is unwilling to play ball, why can they not declare themselves bankrupt, then start up the following day as another company.

seeing as I am now the official no 1 moaner on here 😁😁. The same could be said for the five " academy schools" in the north Notts area that have been classed as failing its pupils. Are academy's and trusts failing the people they were set up to serve? If so why? And who's to blame?

 

[Tashyboy]

To me, this seems fairly typical of what is happening to many 'failing' hospitals!

Government (both Tory and Labour and there were even a few by the Coalition, but certainly fewer and with altered characteristics) imposed PFI on many projects for dodgy accounting motives. Then they have offloaded the ongoing costs to the Trusts (in the case of NHS). Where these have been too much to handle - on top of the 'normal' costs involved - then patient care, staff morale and necessary capital expenditure suffers. Oh, and top management use their flexibility to move - and do so!

It's still amazing how good the NHS can be in certain areas, even in facilities that are virtual nissen huts!

Here's an interesting analysis - not sure on the bias - about the cost of PFI!

http://www.nhsforsale.info/privatisation-list/surgery/the-great-pfi-swindle.html

However, I agree with the fundamental tenet of PFI! The public sector is poor at managing large projects compared to the private sector. Unfortunately, it seems to be particularly bad at managing PFI contracts!!

Ow he's answered some of my questions, cheers foxy👍

 

[Hobbit]

The (usual) PFI terms are horrendous, and getting out from under them would be even more crippling. Imagine what it would cost to re-equip a full hospital 3 times during a 30 year lease. This is often one of the terms of a PFI. Imagine the cost of non-clinical services like catering/portering/estates mgt and repairs, and then there's the rent.

A typical theatre block, like that at SFT, would cost pushing £750k just for the anaesthetic machines. An ITU bed, with vent and pumps... Maybe £60k.

Can't see a PFI company walking away from that, nor the NHS being able to buy them out.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Sat at home and chillin out with Missis T when I have come across a story on the BBC website.
In essence Sherwood Forest trust is in talks with a trust in Nottingham and Derby to take over the trust. It is in special maeasures and is bleeding money. It has to pay 3 million quid a month as PFI which will cost the trust 2.3 BILLION QUID til the deal expires in 2043.
Who the flippin Eck signed this deal?
It is said that government money will have to be used said ( Mark Spencer MP aka fat useless waste of space knobber pal of miners&#128544 . Others have said it needs to be copper bottomed. what's that mean ?
The very thing that narks me about this is that the people who agree to this new deal will be the same vultures who agreed to a trust in the first place.
Missis T works for this trust and loves her job ( who wouldn't holding men's peckers all day), but despises the politics that are killing "the soul" of the NHS. She ( and her pals) flogs there guts out for this Trust and feel that me, you and Joe public are being shafted when it comes to how our hospitals are being run by the people that claim to know best, (politicians).
This hospital has had more Chief execs over the last five years, positions invented, and is still in a massive financial mess. Why are these people not accountable.
Am off coz me bp is rising, and that's not good for my PD and I don't fancy going to Sherwood Forest hospitals for treatment.
Rant ( not quite ) over.

How about if Sherwood Forest golf club took over the hospitals? Would you go then?

 

[Tashyboy]

How about if Sherwood Forest golf club took over the hospitals? Would you go then?

hacker I bet they could do a better job. :whoo:

 

[SocketRocket]

hacker I bet they could do a better job. :whoo:

Cant say i would be looking forward to a Greenskeeper checking my prostate!

 

[ScienceBoy]

Tashyboy golf does not stand for Good OutLet for Frustration...

 

[Spartacus]

Problem with the NHS is the number of patients it now treats.

There's always been the death/birth balance so the numbers shouldn't have changed much there, although more of the 'Kyle' generation spew out more kids for more handouts so there's a small increase.

It's the fatties and foreigners that drain it. I'm so fat because all it eat is cakes and crisps but help me because my body is failing. Add to that the number of foreign people, who don't contribute, who want help as their mud hut hospitals are a gazillion years behind as they're still fighting amongst each other over religion than moving forward and building for the future.

 

[Ethan]

Sat at home and chillin out with Missis T when I have come across a story on the BBC website.
In essence Sherwood Forest trust is in talks with a trust in Nottingham and Derby to take over the trust. It is in special maeasures and is bleeding money. It has to pay 3 million quid a month as PFI which will cost the trust 2.3 BILLION QUID til the deal expires in 2043.
Who the flippin Eck signed this deal?
It is said that government money will have to be used said ( Mark Spencer MP aka fat useless waste of space knobber pal of miners&#128544 . Others have said it needs to be copper bottomed. what's that mean ?
The very thing that narks me about this is that the people who agree to this new deal will be the same vultures who agreed to a trust in the first place.
Missis T works for this trust and loves her job ( who wouldn't holding men's peckers all day), but despises the politics that are killing "the soul" of the NHS. She ( and her pals) flogs there guts out for this Trust and feel that me, you and Joe public are being shafted when it comes to how our hospitals are being run by the people that claim to know best, (politicians).
This hospital has had more Chief execs over the last five years, positions invented, and is still in a massive financial mess. Why are these people not accountable.
Am off coz me bp is rising, and that's not good for my PD and I don't fancy going to Sherwood Forest hospitals for treatment.
Rant ( not quite ) over.

PFI is the scandal the public knows little about. Private companies build hospitals, and rent them to the NHS at extortionate rates, with crippling maintenance contracts for 30 years, then can kick the NHS out and walk away. The deals were negotiated between skilled private sector negotiators and numpties at the DH. Guess who got the better deal? Many of the contracts were sold on at he profits after completion, such was the obvious profit contained within.

PFI was a way for politicians to deliver shiny new hospitals, and off balance sheet (not part of the public debt). If there ever was a selling off the family silver, and throwing in most of the family's gold too, it is PFI.

The ultimate irony occurred when HMRC sold off their buildings on a leaseback basis to a company which then turned out to be offshore.

 

[Kellfire]

It's the fatties and foreigners that drain it. I'm so fat because all it eat is cakes and crisps but help me because my body is failing. Add to that the number of foreign people, who don't contribute, who want help as their mud hut hospitals are a gazillion years behind as they're still fighting amongst each other over religion than moving forward and building for the future.

Wow.

 

[Tashyboy]

Tashyboy golf does not stand for Good OutLet for Frustration...

It don't but am going to use that one tomorrow on the course 😁

 

[Tashyboy]

PFI is the scandal the public knows little about. Private companies build hospitals, and rent them to the NHS at extortionate rates, with crippling maintenance contracts for 30 years, then can kick the NHS out and walk away. The deals were negotiated between skilled private sector negotiators and numpties at the DH. Guess who got the better deal? Many of the contracts were sold on at he profits after completion, such was the obvious profit contained within.

PFI was a way for politicians to deliver shiny new hospitals, and off balance sheet (not part of the public debt). If there ever was a selling off the family silver, and throwing in most of the family's gold too, it is PFI.

The ultimate irony occurred when HMRC sold off their buildings on a leaseback basis to a company which then turned out to be offshore.

Ethan, Why are trusts not able to renegotiate financial deals ? like I have mentioned my company walked away from its financial rssposibilities and started up again the following day under another name. Why can't trusts do the same and remove the financial burden.

 

[Ethan]

It's the fatties and foreigners that drain it. I'm so fat because all it eat is cakes and crisps but help me because my body is failing. Add to that the number of foreign people, who don't contribute, who want help as their mud hut hospitals are a gazillion years behind as they're still fighting amongst each other over religion than moving forward and building for the future.

Fatties, for sure.

Foreigners are not a major issue for the NHS.

Most foreigners in this country do not come from mud huts and only an offensive trolling bigot would argue as much.