New Rules, What you reckon?
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Ken_A
Tour Rookie
Its been coming for a while - no real shock. At least we have until 2024 to change our irons and wedges if not legal.
I must admit I really love my wedges, they really do let me get plenty of spin on a ball from ay lie. I can understand why they want to reinforce the need for accuracy.
I must admit I really love my wedges, they really do let me get plenty of spin on a ball from ay lie. I can understand why they want to reinforce the need for accuracy.
Cernunnos
Journeyman Pro
It really wont effect the amateur game at all. Many amateurs can't take full advantage of the square grooves anyway & round the green it'll only effect those who are used to plenty of stop on their chipshots, when they should have been trying to chip'n'run all along.
Though I know that as soon as its made legal for the Pro's to use the new groove format I'll be changing to that too regardless of the 2024 nonsense.. My vanity wont allow me to want to be playing with anything but the right grooves regardless. Hence why I may make this set & my backup set last another couple of years before changing.
My only worry is with what will be availabvle in the shops will be a mixture of square & the new groove cross-section on offer & like with the drivers will the shops label conforming & non-conforming in the same way... I doubt it.
On the other hand there has been no change to use of grinds & microgrooves found on many new wedges to help them spin, so it'll be interesting how much real differnce the new grooves will make whilst special milled faces are allowed even with the rounded semi V groove with the smaller cross section
Though I know that as soon as its made legal for the Pro's to use the new groove format I'll be changing to that too regardless of the 2024 nonsense.. My vanity wont allow me to want to be playing with anything but the right grooves regardless. Hence why I may make this set & my backup set last another couple of years before changing.
My only worry is with what will be availabvle in the shops will be a mixture of square & the new groove cross-section on offer & like with the drivers will the shops label conforming & non-conforming in the same way... I doubt it.
On the other hand there has been no change to use of grinds & microgrooves found on many new wedges to help them spin, so it'll be interesting how much real differnce the new grooves will make whilst special milled faces are allowed even with the rounded semi V groove with the smaller cross section
TonyN
Money List Winner
Will be interested to see how this unfolds. To develop the game and make things easier from the rough to me, is against the point, so its good to see the opposite. I like the idea that when the ball goes into the long stuff, you are at a disadvantage with regard to ball striking and have to change the game plan accordingly.
Bye Bye to Macdaddy grooves!
Bye Bye to Macdaddy grooves!
Cernunnos
Journeyman Pro
And isn't is about the skill of the player at being able to either keep out of the rough or his ability at getting out of the rough over & above lesser Pro's..
I'm sure we'll still see some pro's who have a magic Seve Like touch out of trouble.
Perhaps some finnese will return to the game over & above the qurrent quest for distance...
I think its great for the game, great for the viewing public & ulti mately will be great for us amateurs as we wont be quite so tempted to try & over power shots off the tee so readilly, but instead try & aim for Fairways & greens, fairways & greens, which was Montys Mantra in years gon by.
Nice One R&A & USGA & all the governing bodies for the European & US tours
I'm sure we'll still see some pro's who have a magic Seve Like touch out of trouble.
Perhaps some finnese will return to the game over & above the qurrent quest for distance...
I think its great for the game, great for the viewing public & ulti mately will be great for us amateurs as we wont be quite so tempted to try & over power shots off the tee so readilly, but instead try & aim for Fairways & greens, fairways & greens, which was Montys Mantra in years gon by.
Nice One R&A & USGA & all the governing bodies for the European & US tours
Kaizer_Soze
Head Pro
It will be interesting to see which clubs appear on the new 'banned list'. However as mentioned it will be 15 years before this takes impacts for your average golfer, by then I'm sure most of us will have worked our way through at least another 2 new sets of irons and wedges, by the time this rule takes effect most of us will be using legal equipment.
Cernunnos
Journeyman Pro
Anyone who has the old Ping Eye2 clubs will have a legal club already, expect Ping to be selling these like hot cakes as Ping I believe keep the stamps for everything they've made & can produce any club they've made at any time for anyone prepared to pay their premium prices.
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
There needs to be a premium put on hitting the fairway, so the bomb and gouge brigade have to play a bit more skillfully. However, I can't see this rule really affecting club golfers.
My wedges (vokey SM) are 2 years old. They generate about 50% of the spin that they had when they were new. If they changed the grooves tomorrow, and I had to buy new wedges, I probably wouldn't notice the difference.
As previously said, by the time these changes come in, I will probably (definately even) have changed my bats several times.
It is good to rein in the pros, who always have sharp grooves, so this is a good move (albeit one that has been predicted for years). Better in my opinion than trying to do something stupid with the ball regulations.
My wedges (vokey SM) are 2 years old. They generate about 50% of the spin that they had when they were new. If they changed the grooves tomorrow, and I had to buy new wedges, I probably wouldn't notice the difference.
As previously said, by the time these changes come in, I will probably (definately even) have changed my bats several times.
It is good to rein in the pros, who always have sharp grooves, so this is a good move (albeit one that has been predicted for years). Better in my opinion than trying to do something stupid with the ball regulations.
Parmo
Tour Winner
All Cleveland recent ones will be banned, it states in GM sept issue about the square grooves and the rules coming into force.
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
I would guess pretty much every club on the market right now will be banned. Excluding woods and putters that is.
I can't believe that any manufacturer is not taking advantage of the current situation re groove sizes and sharpness.
Unless of course, ultra game improvement irons don't have sharp grooves to limit the amount of unwanted side spin on poor strikes and dodgy swings and encourage a straighter flight.
Any one ever got 6 ft of back spin from a Cally big bertha iron? (even when hit from the fairway?).
I can't believe that any manufacturer is not taking advantage of the current situation re groove sizes and sharpness.
Unless of course, ultra game improvement irons don't have sharp grooves to limit the amount of unwanted side spin on poor strikes and dodgy swings and encourage a straighter flight.
Any one ever got 6 ft of back spin from a Cally big bertha iron? (even when hit from the fairway?).
viscount17
Money List Winner
that's one of the problems isn't it. I doubt that any (many) of us know what grooves we have, it's hard enough finding out lofts and lies.
by the way this is a better link, more info
http://www.randa.org/index.cfm?cfid=1492...id=1055&id=
by the way this is a better link, more info
http://www.randa.org/index.cfm?cfid=1492...id=1055&id=
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
At least anything made after 2010 is going to be legal so unless in 2023 you buy a (by then ancient) set of clubs 2nd hand I can't see that its going to affect you. 2024 is a heck of a long way away - if you play only once a month your clubs will still be worn out by then.
andiritchie
Journeyman Pro
bugger got to start changing my game plan then,i a bomb and gouge player
Cernunnos
Journeyman Pro
You can still bomb & gouge, but you nee to bomb onto the fairway & gouge off the short or nearly short stuff & be good at anyone with any real skill will still be able spin a ball & careful choice in ball selection will alo help. So ironically I believe driving distances will drop off as players choose higher spinning balls.
