New Rules 2019 - Out of Bounds

[rulefan]

CONGU will be releasing the following in a couple of days.

Clarification of CONGU® Decision
CONGU® are adopting the R&A’s guidance on Model Local Rule 8E-5.The most important areas where the changes require reference to the National Union are:
“The Local Rule is appropriate for general play where golfers are playing casual rounds or playing their own competitions” (R&A Committee Procedure, Section 8 – Model Local Rules)
https://www.randa.org/en/rog/2019/rules/committee-procedures/8e#e-5

In order to maintain a level playing field of the game and preserve the integrity of scores returned for handicap purposes, Model Local Rule E5 is not permitted for Qualifying Competitions or Supplementary Scores.
In the event of a ball being lost, under the Model Local Rule E5 it is up to the player’s best judgement as to where the ball was lost and subsequently where a second ball can be dropped. Disagreements could arise and add time to the playing of the hole. The need to play a provisional ball where an element of doubt exists has become common practice and has been for some time. In fairness to the player and the rest of the field any uncertainty has been removed.

 

[clubchamp98]

CONGU will be releasing the following in a couple of days.

Clarification of CONGU® Decision
CONGU® are adopting the R&A’s guidance on Model Local Rule 8E-5.The most important areas where the changes require reference to the National Union are:
“The Local Rule is appropriate for general play where golfers are playing casual rounds or playing their own competitions” (R&A Committee Procedure, Section 8 – Model Local Rules)
https://www.randa.org/en/rog/2019/rules/committee-procedures/8e#e-5

In order to maintain a level playing field of the game and preserve the integrity of scores returned for handicap purposes, Model Local Rule E5 is not permitted for Qualifying Competitions or Supplementary Scores.
In the event of a ball being lost, under the Model Local Rule E5 it is up to the player’s best judgement as to where the ball was lost and subsequently where a second ball can be dropped. Disagreements could arise and add time to the playing of the hole. The need to play a provisional ball where an element of doubt exists has become common practice and has been for some time. In fairness to the player and the rest of the field any uncertainty has been removed.

So if you play a provisional ball and can’t find original or provisional you are then playing five (if off the tee.).?
If that’s the case you would be foolish to play a provisional if using this local rule.
Have I read that correctly.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I am confused. I asked our pro about the revised OoB option and his understanding is that it has not been adopted. He checked through the new rule book and also the new typical local rules examples - nothing. Also there is an 'official' single page list of new rules 'must knows', and no mention of it there either.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I am confused. I asked our pro about the revised OoB option and his understanding is that it has not been adopted. He checked through the new rule book and also the new typical local rules examples - nothing. Also there is an 'official' single page list of new rules 'must knows', and no mention of it there either.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

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Where will he find that and I'll point him to it...

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Where will he find that and I'll point him to it...

Model Local rules E-5

 

[duncan mackie]

I am confused. I asked our pro about the revised OoB option and his understanding is that it has not been adopted. He checked through the new rule book and also the new typical local rules examples - nothing. Also there is an 'official' single page list of new rules 'must knows', and no mention of it there either.

Don't be confused - the only thing new in Rulefan' s post is that CONGU have put in writing to the open world (as opposed to communications to handicap secretaries) and included, for the first time, an explanation for their action.

So, it's a LR that may be adopted by clubs but cannot be in force for Q comps or supplemental rounds for handicapping....exactly as it's been since it was posted that way months ago.
You posted that your club wasn't going to adopt it (from memory) as did many - and they haven't (as most havent)

The end

 

[rulefan]

The model rule will not be accepted by CONGU for qualifying scores.

Where will he find that and I'll point him to it...

http://www.usga.org/content/usga/ho...nges/golfs-new-rules-stroke-and-distance.html

 

[backwoodsman]

I am confused. I asked our pro about the revised OoB option and his understanding is that it has not been adopted. He checked through the new rule book and also the new typical local rules examples - nothing. Also there is an 'official' single page list of new rules 'must knows', and no mention of it there either.

If that single page is your club's new list of local rules, and the model local rule ain't on it, then presumably your club hasn't adopted it for casual play. If that page is not your local rules sheet, then I guess it's your H&C Sec you need to be asking rather than the pro.

 

[dronfield]

I would imagine that following the CONGU statement that this Local Rule option cannot be used in qualifiers, many clubs will take the decision not to introduce this at all.

Whilst it will speed up general play, it could lead to confusion, resulting in folk who have come used to applying it in winter non comp golf, accidently doing so in comps. Clubs may feel it better to avoid this potential scenario by not introducing the Local Rule option in the first place.

Rich

 

[Colonel Bogey]

I would imagine that following the CONGU statement that this Local Rule option cannot be used in qualifiers, many clubs will take the decision not to introduce this at all.

Whilst it will speed up general play, it could lead to confusion, resulting in folk who have come used to applying it in winter non comp golf, accidently doing so in comps. Clubs may feel it better to avoid this potential scenario by not introducing the Local Rule option in the first place.

Rich

Or, have the Pro remind all players under which rule they are playing before they go out.

 

[Colonel Bogey]

Also, if they are not adopting this rule for Q comps, why even bring it up? Most golfers having a knock with mates will say "just chuck one down and add one" anyway. We don't need no golfing authority to tell us, we already know !!!!

 

[rulefan]

This may be useful for some
https://rulesgeeks.com/2019/01/new-local-rule-for-lost-ball-or-ball-out-of-bounds/

 

[Fish]

Our club is not adopting this, and I’m pleased as I think it will/would have caused many arguments and disagreements.

 

[Imurg]

We're going to use it on our non qualifying rounds to save a bit of time but, to be fair, we mostly play provisionals so this rule becomes redundant.

 

[Fish]

We're going to use it on our non qualifying rounds to save a bit of time but, to be fair, we mostly play provisionals so this rule becomes redundant.

Do you mean as a decision by yourselves or a club decision?

Surely if the club are not adopting it as a local rule it shouldn’t be used on your course in any format, even though it’s not a qualifier or just a bounce round.

 

[Imurg]

Do you mean as a decision by yourselves or a club decision?

Surely if the club are not adopting it as a local rule it shouldn’t be used on your course in any format, even though it’s not a qualifier or just a bounce round.

Can't see the problem Robin....
It's not a qualifier, it's a knockabout and there's nothing on the line except bragging rights.
I'm guessing a similar thing has been happening in many clubs up and down the land for years..
As I said, we normally play provisionals so it's going to be an occasional thing to save a walk back.

 

[duncan mackie]

Can't see the problem Robin....
It's not a qualifier, it's a knockabout and there's nothing on the line except bragging rights.
I'm guessing a similar thing has been happening in many clubs up and down the land for years..
As I said, we normally play provisionals so it's going to be an occasional thing to save a walk back.

Exactly!

We have been using it for years under the euphemism 'I will drop one here'. Any arguments being settled via a closing 'OK?'.

In the same way we have been known to take preferred lies in the rough, gimmies in stroke play and the odd bit of well meaning, but frequently useless, advice (whilst actually playing a round 🤔).

Obviously none of this is ever spoken about and would be denied by serious golfers everywhere if raised...

 

[jim8flog]

Do you mean as a decision by yourselves or a club decision?

Surely if the club are not adopting it as a local rule it shouldn’t be used on your course in any format, even though it’s not a qualifier or just a bounce round.

Virtually every swindle I play in does not play according to the Rules of Golf, everyone of them uses Stableford as the format but allows gimme putts.

Our committee hold a simple view -"what groups do amongst themselves in their own competitions re the rules is up to them".

 

[Skip Surf]

This is the fun part: "The Local Rule is appropriate for general play where golfers are playing casual rounds or playing their own competitions." Any "competitions" with money being exchanged are hardly "casual."

So, while the 'return to the tee' aspect has always been maniacal and I like the improved pace-of-play benefit with this new wrinkle, I also really wish the OB rule itself was known better and observed properly. Far too people are far too 'casual' and get some absolutely dreamy drops, even at cost of strokes. Hitting a provisional, with attendant consequences, still means time expenditure, but it also still seems... right.