New Rules 2019 - Out of Bounds

[SammmeBee]

Not more than, but something other than.



Read through this from the R&A/USGA and you'll see what's missing..... in more ways than one!

[http://www.usga.org/content/usga/ho...odernization/major-changes/major-changes.html.]

Cheers - I’ll stick to the Book.

 

[HughJars]

Speaking with the Sec. yesterday, seems we'll be going down the status quo route, which seems to be the favoured option.

 

[rulefan]

seems we'll be going down the status quo route

With respect to which rule(s)?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

So, are you playing the OOB local rule even though your roll up players won't be able to use it in competitions, and if so, are you (the club) making them aware of this difference?

That's correct. And yes - the roll-up organiser has made all aware of the status of the OoB option as a LR. As it happens this Saturday gone we all played in a club comp running alongside the roll-up and we were reminded that we were NOT playing the new rules.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Ah, ok, miss-understood the point you were making.

Whilst I have some sympathy with that view (basically if people expect that someone is going to point out every possible change in detail they are better off starting from scratch with the new rules) I do believe that there are some changes that would catch out most if not highlighted, and they don't appear in the major changes at all (for whatever reason).

Personally I've always seen the role of Rules and/or Competition Sec at a club as having a significant element associated with doing everything they can to avoid people getting fought out by the rules (and the implementation of changes don't negate that function).

Looks like we fundamentally agree that it's their responsibility to acquaint themselves with all the new rules...

Apologies if this has already been asked and clarified. But if I play totally ignorant of the new/revised rules and so play to 'as it', is it possible for me to fall foul of not knowing the new/revised rules?

 

[rulefan]

Apologies if this has already been asked and clarified. But if I play totally ignorant of the new/revised rules and so play to 'as it', is it possible for me to fall foul of not knowing the new/revised rules?

Dropping the ball is a pretty obvious one where you would incur a penalty.

 

[HughJars]

With respect to which rule(s)?

OOB & Lost ball. Not going to implement the local rule.

 

[cliveb]

Nothing like over complicating things!!!

For those of you who think the rules of golf are complicated, try the ones for contract bridge - 93 rules (or "laws" as the EBU would call them) with multiple subsections for each.
I think it might possibly be longer than Teresa May's Brexit withdrawal document

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Dropping the ball is a pretty obvious one where you would incur a penalty.
As id putting from on the green and hitting the flagstick

OK - what aspect of dropping as we do today will suffer a penalty if I do it after 1st Jan.

Surely on the second - it is a penalty now if I hit the flag and it won't be after - so the new rule isn't going to cause me any penalty if I don;t know about it.

What can't I do after 1.1 without penalty that I can today.

 

[Colin L]

OK - what aspect of dropping as we do today will suffer a penalty if I do it after 1st Jan.

Surely on the second - it is a penalty now if I hit the flag and it won't be after - so the new rule isn't going to cause me any penalty if I don;t know about it.

What can't I do after 1.1 without penalty that I can today.

If you drop from shoulder height you will incur a penalty. I don 't have an answer to your second question. Generally the new rules are more permissive and you will be more likely to call a penalty on yourself when you didn't need to than the other way round.

 

[rulefan]

OK - what aspect of dropping as we do today will suffer a penalty if I do it after 1st Jan.

Surely on the second - it is a penalty now if I hit the flag and it won't be after - so the new rule isn't going to cause me any penalty if I don;t know about it.

What can't I do after 1.1 without penalty that I can today.

Sorry. Lost concentration. Wrong way round. My OP amended

 

[duncan mackie]

OK - what aspect of dropping as we do today will suffer a penalty if I do it after 1st Jan.

What can't I do after 1.1 without penalty that I can today.

This is a great question!

Of the top of my head I would put forward the following:-
1. Dropping manner
2. Ball rolling outside the relief area but staying within 2cl of landing point.
3. Dropping for embedded ball can currently be level with the pitch mark and meet rules - reference area is now behind the pitch mark (which with 2 above takes away issues of it returning to pitch mark).
4. For penalty areas DBOL if the ball rolls out of relief area you can change the reference point and, if the ball rolls outside the reference area you would then place, not drop a second time (OK a bit obscure. ..
5. Drop within 2cl on the equidistant margin at a red penalty zone (without LR in place).

 

[jim8flog]

Sorry my mistake - if YOU point them out then all should be fine. But there is a book that has everything in it already isn’t there?!

When previous books have been issued all the changes have been listed and explained in the front of the book. The ones for 2019 do not contain this information.

 

[rulie]

However, this is a brand new book - everything has been changed. Hence the focus on what the ruling bodies consider "major" changes (others' definition of "major" may be different).
I don't recall seeing a list of changes when the book was totally revised in 1984?

 

[jim8flog]

However, this is a brand new book - everything has been changed. Hence the focus on what the ruling bodies consider "major" changes (others' definition of "major" may be different).
I don't recall seeing a list of changes when the book was totally revised in 1984?

I don't remember reading the book in 1984

 

[rulie]

I don't remember reading the book in 1984

You're showing your age!

 

[Crow]

I've always taken a certain pride in knowing the rules pretty well and always read the Decisions books to enhance that knowledge.

Personally I think that with this revision the number of significant changes are too great and many of them are unnecessary.

A bit like my loss of love for modern equipment, I find myself losing respect for the rules and suspect that I won't bother reading the new rules to the same depth as I did the old.

Instead I'll join the majority of golfers in muddling along as best as I can.

 

[rulefan]

many of them are unnecessary.

Individual rules? Can you give a couple of examples?
Or do you think the reasoning behind the changes: saving time or simplification are unnecessary ?

 

[clubchamp98]

Most of the changes make sense .
My only concern is usually they change one or two rules but this time there are far to many changes in one go imo.
Some guys don’t know the rules now so the changes will make no difference to them.
Can see holdups where the book is out to look up the rules

 

[Crow]

Individual rules? Can you give a couple of examples?
Or do you think the reasoning behind the changes: saving time or simplification are unnecessary ?

Here's a few, IMHO of course.

Rule 13.1d - No Penalty for moving a ball on the putting green.

Rule 14.3 - Dropping from knee height and where ball comes to rest.

Rule 13.1c(2) Repair of almost any damage on the green.

Rules 12.2a and 12.2b, the player will be allowed to touch or move loose impediments in a bunker.

The Local Rule alternative to stroke and distance for a ball that is lost or out of bounds.