3offTheTee
Tour Rookie
With the new rule if you hit OOB and the nearest point is not adjacent to the fairway i.e the shot wonky went 50 yards and did not reach the fairway what are the options please?
rulefan
Tour Winner
You may use the nearest closely mown area which is not nearer the hole. This may be another fairway or possibly where the teeing area is located.
Alternatively, play a provisional but only if your ball may be lost.
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rulefan
Tour Winner
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jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
With a shot that only went 50-100 I would certainly opt for 3 off the tee rather than the new rule.
The option rulefan quotes is one of the reasons for not adopting it where I play. We would have had to create too many new areas of closely mown grass to use the rule reasonably on quite a few holes.
rulefan
Tour Winner
That is why we will possibly use it on a few specific holes where the the conditions satisfy all the 'requirements'
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
If they satisfy Congu! Any update?
rulefan
Tour Winner
An email from EG to say they CONGU will be announcing them as non-Qs shortly
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
Which completely negates any reason to have a formal LR in place!
Rather a large waste of time for anyone who's had animated discussions to this point...
(Appreciate that clubs could still implement for their NQ competitions but, to my mind, that's even more confusing than hole by hole!) Even shorter discussion.
KenL
Tour Rookie
Although I agree that my club shouldn't put this LR in place the world is a much bigger place than where CONGU has any influence.
2blue
Journeyman Pro
On the holes where I think it may have been used, it would have proved to be extremely useful to simply say after 3mins.... "Just drop a ball here 'cos doesn't look like we're going to find it!!"..………. 3mins is a very short time compared to the 5+ that folk have been used to having.
Another interesting one is how folk are going to discourage their playing partners from repeatedly identifying there ball by rolling it into an improved lie?? I'd be surprised if some players don't have to be followed all over the course..... sad but, may well happen,
Another interesting one is how folk are going to discourage their playing partners from repeatedly identifying there ball by rolling it into an improved lie?? I'd be surprised if some players don't have to be followed all over the course..... sad but, may well happen,
Beedee
Assistant Pro
So if this rule was being encouraged in all except professional and elite amateur golf, I find it quite sad that the quango is able to undermine the efforts of the governing bodies. To my mind this was the most innovative rule change of all the new set, and probably the only one that would make a real difference in the speed of the game.
There are two possibilities about the rule. Either it would have no real affect on handicaps (the rule makers point of view) - in which case the handicapping authorities should keep out of it; or it would have an effect of (presumably) lowering handicaps - in which case the UK authorities are pre-emptively undermining the future world handicapping system, if the rest of the world do follow the new guidelines.
Either way, effectively killing it before it has a chance to be tried feels very wrong to me.
There are two possibilities about the rule. Either it would have no real affect on handicaps (the rule makers point of view) - in which case the handicapping authorities should keep out of it; or it would have an effect of (presumably) lowering handicaps - in which case the UK authorities are pre-emptively undermining the future world handicapping system, if the rest of the world do follow the new guidelines.
Either way, effectively killing it before it has a chance to be tried feels very wrong to me.
rulefan
Tour Winner
Old Skier
Tour Winner
Some great points which I will make a note off and try to get some feedback at our CONGU seminar in Nov.
rulefan
Tour Winner
Yesterday on receipt of the email I referred to, I made much the same comments to EG. No response as yet. I will be raising it at our seminar next week.
Old Skier
Tour Winner
Seems to me that like the handicap issue on full/90% some senior club and member influence may have come into play.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
This was more or less our view. What players and swindles do within their own games is up to them.
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
That’s how it should be though!
If the clubs and members don’t like it then Congu are right to stop it surely.
Just asking but how can Congu do this , how much power do they have and what is their main reason for saying NO?.
Colin L
Tour Winner
If the members of a club don't like it, the club doesn't adopt the Local Rule. If the committee of CONGU doesn't like it as such, it has no justification whatsoever in blocking it. That is a usurping of the right the R&A/USGA have given clubs in a rules matter to decide for themselves.
The only justification that I can see for disallowing it for qualifyng rounds would be that if it led to serious inconsistencies in handicapping across its affiliated clubs. That, to my mind, would have to be demonstrated and I don't see how that could be done until there were sufficient statistics to make the situation clear. But we need to wait to hear its reasons.
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rulefan
Tour Winner
CONGU has no idea what clubs and members think about it. There has been no consultation between CONGU and clubs.
In fact all CONGU decisions are made by the committees (ie representatives of the national unions and the R&A (!!!) behind closed doors).
I have never known of CONGU consulting directly with clubs.
Exactly this. I'm sure the USGA had a very loud voice in coming up with this LR.
