New Rules 2019 - Out of Bounds

[rulefan]

Exactly this. I'm sure the USGA had a very loud voice in coming up with this LR.

It 'sort of' legitimises the common practice of dropping nearby with a 1 stroke penalty but increases the penalty for a more realistic 2 strokes.
They would never have educated (forced ?) many US players into playing provisionals or walking back.

 

[rulie]

It 'sort of' legitimises the common practice of dropping nearby with a 1 stroke penalty but increases the penalty for a more realistic 2 strokes.
They would never have educated (forced ?) many US players into playing provisionals or walking back.

And the next capitulation will be.......?

 

[Old Skier]

I cannot think of ANY other (legitimate) local rule where CONGU have stuck their noses in, maybe someone on here knows better.

 

[rulefan]

I cannot think of ANY other (legitimate) local rule where CONGU have stuck their noses in, maybe someone on here knows better.

Preferred Lies of other than 6" and cleaning ball through the green are perhaps arguably so.

 

[clubchamp98]

It 'sort of' legitimises the common practice of dropping nearby with a 1 stroke penalty but increases the penalty for a more realistic 2 strokes.
They would never have educated (forced ?) many US players into playing provisionals or walking back.

Most American courses I have played don’t have oob they treat most boundaries as a red hazard because of dangerous things in there.
So over the years yanks have always played to slightly different rules.

This is a mishmash to try to get worldwide standards , but most people I know don’t like it.
When is the last time an ordinary club golfer played a comp against a yank ?
It won’t happen very often , but the ones who do won’t use this rule (I.e. elite ams and pros?).

It’s like American footy and rugby basically similar but miles apart in the rules.

Maybe do what they do oob classed as water hazard NPR 2 CL drop , off you go 1 shot pen.
So no lovely lie on fairway for hitting oob.
That would speed things up but you would have to play from where your tee shot went approximately.

 

[rulefan]

So if this rule was being encouraged in all except professional and elite amateur golf, I find it quite sad that the quango is able to undermine the efforts of the governing bodies. To my mind this was the most innovative rule change of all the new set, and probably the only one that would make a real difference in the speed of the game.

There are two possibilities about the rule. Either it would have no real affect on handicaps (the rule makers point of view) - in which case the handicapping authorities should keep out of it; or it would have an effect of (presumably) lowering handicaps - in which case the UK authorities are pre-emptively undermining the future world handicapping system, if the rest of the world do follow the new guidelines.

Either way, effectively killing it before it has a chance to be tried feels very wrong to me.

Apparently CONGU is worried that it may have an effect on handicap calculations.
They have no evidence but claim they haven't had time to study it.

I'm not sure how much evidence they will get if no one is using it.

 

[clubchamp98]

Apparently CONGU is worried that it may have an effect on handicap calculations.
They have no evidence but claim they haven't had time to study it.

I'm not sure how much evidence they will get if no one is using it.

This is like most things today though.
If you claim something MAY go wrong it’s taken as the truth with no real back up evidence.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

CONGU Advice to Committees received today.

 

[KenL]

CONGU Advice to Committees received today.

What was the advice?

 

[Old Skier]

What was the advice?

And how was it sent.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

And how was it sent.

3 Page document by email.

 

[KenL]

3 Page document by email.

Please summarise what it said...

 

[rulefan]

http://www.congu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/CONGU-Advice-New-Rules-of-Golf.pdf

 

[Imurg]

So the Alternative to Stroke and Distance will only be applicable to general play and must not be used in a qualifier...
Great, that's not going to confuse anyone is it....
There will be people who play this LR in their knockabouts and forget during a Medal....
Let's make the rules even more complicated....

 

[KenL]

http://www.congu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/CONGU-Advice-New-Rules-of-Golf.pdf

Thanks.

 

[KenL]

So the Alternative to Stroke and Distance will only be applicable to general play and must not be used in a qualifier...
Great, that's not going to confuse anyone is it....
There will be people who play this LR in their knockabouts and forget during a Medal....
Let's make the rules even more complicated....

I disagree. Clubs will hopefully make an effort to clarify what is effectively no change to what we have at the moment.

People playing a sport need to take responsibility for knowing the rules.

 

[User 99]

People playing a sport need to take responsibility for knowing the rules.

Sure this won't be news to you but it is staggering the lack of knowledge of the rules by the weekend warrior. My playing partners for example, who have been playing the game since Adam was a lad, have absolutely no idea of the news rules coming in, in fact one of them had no knowledge of the new dropping procedure, we're only a matter of weeks away.

 

[KenL]

If they fail to adopt the new rules because they haven't bothered to learn them perhaps a DQ after a comp round will give them a wake up call.

 

[Imurg]

There are people who have been playing for years who get rulings wrong or don't even know rules..
Having a rule, local or otherwise that you use on one day during a rollup but don't use the next day in a Medal is asking for trouble.
It just is....
And if the idea of the LR is to help speed up play by doing away with the return to the tee scenario, then it's not going to happen in qualifiers, which are often the slowest rounds...

 

[woofers]

Sure this won't be news to you but it is staggering the lack of knowledge of the rules by the weekend warrior. My playing partners for example, who have been playing the game since Adam was a lad, have absolutely no idea of the news rules coming in, in fact one of them had no knowledge of the new dropping procedure, we're only a matter of weeks away.

Your playing partners, do they not keep abreast of golfing matters at all ? Read magazines for example ?
What about your club ? Have they made an effort to educate the membership ?
The new Players Edition of the Rules of Golf has been freely available for some weeks now and every club I visit has had copies of these in the entrance hall or pro shop.