New Rules 2019 - Out of Bounds

[Fish]

Had it more explained to me at the club just, fully coherent now, I think 🤔😜👍

 

[atticusfinch]

ok I’m not outside of a boundary

Then you're on the course and are permitted to play the ball if you can. If you are outside the boundary, you can't..

The "course" is the whole area within any boundaries established by the Committee (see Rule 33-2)

 

[clubchamp98]

I might be totally wrong but my understanding is that it will cover a lost ball too and the decision surely will be the players alone and, if they've searched for up to 3 minutes it'll either be found or lost, in or OOB and so the player can follow the local rule if there's one in place - but I could be wrong!

Yes get this but if you can’t find the ball you don’t know where it is !
You are then just guessing where to drop!
As I said everyone knows where the tee is.

I just think this is open to abuse.

 

[Colin L]

Colin,

Not sure what point you are trying to illustrate with your 1904 example? Any chance of elucidation.

Just to show that the rule has varied over the years and hint that because something appears to have "always" been, it may not have been. There was no stroke penalty at that time, just distance.

 

[chrisd]

Yes get this but if you can’t find the ball you don’t know where it is !
You are then just guessing where to drop!
As I said everyone knows where the tee is.

I just think this is open to abuse.

It could be abused but it'll be a 2 shot penalty so dearer than playing a provisional. The rule, I think, most open to abuse is being able to lift and check a ball without being observed, I certainly know one regular winner at mine who will likely take full advantage

 

[cliveb]

It could be abused but it'll be a 2 shot penalty so dearer than playing a provisional.

Except in those cases where the shot has been completely duffed, being able to drop a ball on the edge of the fairway at the same distance from the hole to where it was lost or went OB definitely is NOT more costly than playing a provisional. You've taken a 2 shot penalty, so you are now playing 4. Had you played a provisional from the tee, the result would likely be not much further (if any) up the hole, and when you play it you'll again be playing 4.

Playing a provisional is a more dangerous option, because that might also be lost or go OB. Being able to drop a ball on the fairway is effectively a "no-risk 3 off the tee, guaranteed to be in play".

 

[jim8flog]

Out of curiosity, what is the procedure for clubs introducing any of these new LR’s, and more importantly, inline with them coming into force Jan 1st 2019, what’s the lead/time frames to make sure their implemented (in situ) in time.

At our course we have a meeting scheduled to discuss all the new LR and course layout options (penalty areas) at the beginning of October. I have noticed that the optional LR for a protection fence has slightly changed.

As the new rules necessitate a change to most of our LRS (Rule references, deletion of unneeded LRs etc ) I should have it ready to go on the 1st January but also expect to produce notifications before then.

 

[Colin L]

Then you're on the course and are permitted to play the ball if you can. If you are outside the boundary, you can't..

The "course" is the whole area within any boundaries established by the Committee (see Rule 33-2)

I just don't get this idea. If your ball is in the middle of a pond or a river, you can't play it. If your ball is lost, you can't play it. If your ball is stuck under impenetrable whins, you can't play it. The Rules are designed to ensure that you are not stuck, unable to continue your game. There is a way of carrying on, at a cost, and it seems to me that the important principle is that you are enabled to complete a hole no matter what has happened (and that will now thankfully include escaping from a bunker when you have had more than one attempt to get out of it). This new local rule is no more than an alternative escape from a lost or out bounds ball to stroke and distance, a way of helping the ordinary golfer. It may well save time. Would you not agree that it could also make the game more enjoyable for many?

 

[chrisd]

Except in those cases where the shot has been completely duffed, being able to drop a ball on the edge of the fairway at the same distance from the hole to where it was lost or went OB definitely is NOT more costly than playing a provisional. You've taken a 2 shot penalty, so you are now playing 4. Had you played a provisional from the tee, the result would likely be not much further (if any) up the hole, and when you play it you'll again be playing 4.

Playing a provisional is a more dangerous option, because that might also be lost or go OB. Being able to drop a ball on the fairway is effectively a "no-risk 3 off the tee, guaranteed to be in play".

I guess that's when assessing you're options properly will be paramount and hoping that your provisional is straight and long 😁

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I guess that's when assessing you're options properly will be paramount and hoping that your provisional is straight and long 😁

You don’t get a choice, once the provisional is put in to play the option to take the 2 shot penalty has gone.

 

[rulefan]

Would you not agree that it could also make the game more enjoyable for many?

I would.

 

[williamalex1]

I didn't realise that some of the rule numbers were being changed. So much for quoting rules some of by heart.

 

[atticusfinch]

I just don't get this idea.

Sorry, I've run out of ways to explain it.

 

[rulefan]

I didn't realise that some of the rule numbers were being changed. So much for quoting rules some of by heart.

The sequencing and organisation has changed. All of the rule numbers have changed. The format of the numbers has changed also. xx-x is now xx.x

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Don’t get the fuss tbh.. goldfinger and Mr bond played a round of golf and bond make goldfinger take a 2 shot pen under line and distance for a lost ball.. was good enough then !

 

[cliveb]

You don’t get a choice, once the provisional is put in to play the option to take the 2 shot penalty has gone.

Seems moot. If a tee shot may be lost or OB (and has travelled a reasonable distance), why would anyone ever choose to play a provisional when they can just walk up and drop a ball on the fairway for effectively the same penalty (thus avoiding the risk that the provisional may also be a bad shot)? Seems to me that provisionals would only ever be played after a shot is completely duffed.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Seems moot. If a tee shot may be lost or OB (and has travelled a reasonable distance), why would anyone ever choose to play a provisional when they can just walk up and drop a ball on the fairway for effectively the same penalty (thus avoiding the risk that the provisional may also be a bad shot)? Seems to me that provisionals would only ever be played after a shot is completely duffed.

On a Par 3 or 3rd shot on a Par 5

 

[cliveb]

On a Par 3 or 3rd shot on a Par 5

Yes, good point.

 

[rulefan]

It is really designed to speed up play.

Significant issues with pace of play can result from players needing to take stroke-and-distance relief for a ball that is out of bounds or cannot be found when a provisional ball has not been played. The purpose of this Local Rule is to allow a Committee to provide an extra relief option that means that a player may play on without returning to the location of the previous stroke.

 

[Fish]

Seems moot. If a tee shot may be lost or OB (and has travelled a reasonable distance), why would anyone ever choose to play a provisional when they can just walk up and drop a ball on the fairway for effectively the same penalty (thus avoiding the risk that the provisional may also be a bad shot)? Seems to me that provisionals would only ever be played after a shot is completely duffed.

You state ‘drop on the fairway’, what is the distance you drop from in this new circumstance from the OOB markers/line where your ball crossed?