We all know it's the sensible thing to do but seen so many times....itll be fine....gone.
We all know it's the sensible thing to do but seen so many times....itll be fine....gone.
rulefan
Tour Winner
As it would be a Local Rule is could be excluded for a particular competition but its exclusion would be under Local Rules not in the Terms of Competition.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
The original comment was why is this not a Rule of Golf rather than a local Rule!! or words to that effect- hence my original comment about the Pro game.
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
The main thing I like about Golf is I can play where the pros play by the same rules .
There’s not many sports that have different rules for pros and good ams , but not for the rest of us.
Why don’t they want the pros using this as it’s very unusual for them to lose a ball or go oob.?
But they are the slowest players on the planet.
There’s not many sports that have different rules for pros and good ams , but not for the rest of us.
Why don’t they want the pros using this as it’s very unusual for them to lose a ball or go oob.?
But they are the slowest players on the planet.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Our roll-up yesterday had a go at using the new rules. I used the 'putt with flag in' a couple of times and saved maybe 30secs at a time...but it seemed OK.
I thought about using the OoB rule on our Par 3 3rd. Tee shot went out of bounds and it isn't the easiest green to hit - with difficult pitch back or bunker shot if you go right. So after an OoB I often see players - myself included - with difficult pitches for their fourth. The new rule would let me drop the ball on short cut grass with a simple straight pitch 4th shot onto the green.
We were also discussing the drop out of bunker. If that is one shot to drop out if you are rubbish at bunker shots why ever again bother playing one? Two shots to drop out I get so must check.
I thought about using the OoB rule on our Par 3 3rd. Tee shot went out of bounds and it isn't the easiest green to hit - with difficult pitch back or bunker shot if you go right. So after an OoB I often see players - myself included - with difficult pitches for their fourth. The new rule would let me drop the ball on short cut grass with a simple straight pitch 4th shot onto the green.
We were also discussing the drop out of bunker. If that is one shot to drop out if you are rubbish at bunker shots why ever again bother playing one? Two shots to drop out I get so must check.
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
Plus you wouldn’t need a sand wedge so could put another club in your bag!
Did you like the rulings or did they seem strange doing it?
Colin L
Tour Winner
Two penalty strokes to take unplayable relief outside a bunker.
rulie
Head Pro
That's a local Rule only - I guess you were also trying out all the model local Rules?
Colin L
Tour Winner
Just in case that misleads anyone, it was said in the context of your ball being unmplayable in a bunker and your taking relief by dropping it back on the line outside the bunker. The penalty for relief for an unplayable ball liyng anywhere else except a penalty area wlil be unchanged at one penalty stroke.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
That makes sense - as the one shot pen made 'no sense'
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
And in respect of being unplayable - that remains 'in the opinion of the player' rather than any definition of unplayable? So in fact talking about the payer deciding a ball as being unplayable in a bunker is a bit of a red herring.
The rule becomes simply that - if a player's ball is in a bunker then the player can decide to take a 2 shot penalty and drop the ball out of the bunker on a line drawn from the flag and through the position of the ball in the bunker. There are no caveats around his decision to take that penalty.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
That's a local Rule only - I guess you were also trying out all the model local Rules?
We were. Our Sat am roll-up has grown from a doz or so to up to three dozen. And on last saturday we had 35. There had been some complaints that the roll-up had meant games following it took 5hrs to get round. That we did not actually believe that was neither here nor there, but we'd try and do something about our pace - so decided to try out the new rules (including those that would be Local) as these are aimed at speeding up play - and play ready golf.
My group was 2nd out (of 9 groups). The first group was a 3 ball. They got round in 3hr50 - we got round in 4hrs5. This included a 7-10min stop at halfway house, We managed to keep up with the 3 ball for almost all of the round. Just losing touch a little on 17 and 18. I heard that there were no gaps all the way back. So I think we were good. Will be interested to hear hw long group 9 took.
The only rules my group used were the 'knee-high' drop rule and putting with flag in. The latter I used a couple of times and it did help as I wasn't hanging around waiting for someone to get to the flag to attend it (it was a very long putt and would have needed it attended)
Colin L
Tour Winner
No caveats, as you say. A ball is unplayable because the player says so.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Not everybody knows that - but if they followed goings-on here they would - eventually...
Rules evening at my club tonight. Hopefully I'll come out with a better understanding of the new rules...
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
Or a scrambled brain.
rulefan
Tour Winner
Our Ladies are running one next week but we (the men) are waiting a while because they will have forgotten what was said before xmas.
nickjdavis
Head Pro
LOL...i'm running one in early December at my club for exactly the same reason....though to be honest I still expect to see folks out on the course next June still dropping from shoulder height....its going to take a bit of effort to cease the habits of the last 35 years for many of them!!!
rulefan
Tour Winner
Some of them are still dropping over their shoulder I expect
We had Claire present ours, she was very good. With so many changes tho, it's going to take a while for them all to sink in.
