jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
Simple question.
Complex answers please post in the original thread
Complex answers please post in the original thread
New rule OOB/ ball lost(2)
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rulefan
Tour Winner
Except for qualifiers and 'board' competitions
TheJezster
Tour Rookie
Nope, but then doesnt need to as people can do what they want if not in a comp
rulefan
Tour Winner
Just curious. Does comp only mean qualifiers or include formal 4BBB and/or matches?
My understanding, for our place, is that it means everything other than social games. Any club linked comp, card in hand etc.
rulefan
Tour Winner
Much the same as us. When I mentioned 'board' I really meant anything where the club (or official section) was the organising committee.
But all members have been given a full explanatory note (and web link) so they (should) know what they are supposed to do if using it. Together with a quick friendly optional version
TheJezster
Tour Rookie
We've not introduced the rule, so any matches, whether 4BBB or club matches wouldnt matter. The rule wouldnt apply.
If someone wants to do it in their own friendly game thats each to their own
drdel
Tour Rookie
Would this stop players submitted a card for handicap purposes?
They couldn't submit it if they had put the drop rule into practice. I'm guessing they couldn't anyway as CONGU wont accept it, happy to be corrected, but as our place has not accepted it as a local rule that makes 2 reasons why not
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
Yes it would because rounds for handicap purposes have to played under qualifying score conditions. There is nothing wrong however in submitting a NR* on a hole because cards for handicap purposes use stableford for the calculation.
*If you do not have handicap you should only NR if the score on a hole is worse than twice the par.
ManinBlack
Tour Winner
CONGU have effectively nullified this rule change by making any cards submitted with the new rule in place non qualifying. I'm sure the R & A / USGA didn't anticipate this but it's a bit pointless now because, as has already been said, you can apply whatever rules you like in friendly games.
rulefan
Tour Winner
Are you saying that if the LR is illegally in force for a qualifier and is used on a hole, the hole should be returned as an NR and the score for the round may be used as a qualifying score?
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
No I am saying that if the player uses the LR then they have not played according to the rules for a qualifying score.
The player does not have to return to the tee(e.g.) for a ball that is lost or OB if they do not want but can record the hole as NR when the card is being used as a supplementary or a first handicap card.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
This was definitely the most pointless rule change of all time. Since it only applies to friendly knocks, and in most friendly knocks people use their own agreed rules governing OOB anyway.
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
Think it was never going to be used when the pros and elite ams were immune.
How many times have you seen a pro lose a ball or oob it does happen but not very often.
If they had made it a rule of golf for everyone they would not have had any problems.
How many times have you seen a pro lose a ball or oob it does happen but not very often.
If they had made it a rule of golf for everyone they would not have had any problems.
drdel
Tour Rookie
Which, strictly speaking, will make it harder for casual golfers to maintain a valid HC if their round takes advantage of the new rule.
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
In the world of golf those playing competitions rounds to CONGU handicapping are by far the minority.
It's target was those who were, and will still be, including such rounds in their handicap records and is a significant step towards improving the consistency of such scores within the wider system.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Sorry, what? Do you mean if they drop from OOB on one of the rounds they hand in for their handicap? If they're doing that and taking a 2 shot penalty I don't see it making very much difference to the score.
And as seen here, most clubs have not even bothered adopting the rule.
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Can’t hand in a HC card if you have used the rule - even more so if the club haven’t adopted it
And it wasn’t a rule of golf change - it was an Local rule that golf clubs could introduce if they see fit but because Congo thankfully decided if you use the rule any Comp or round can’t be Q then clubs won’t bring it in as a local rule.
I expect it’s going to disappear now
Club have refused to adopt it for the reasons above. If the old boys roll up or any of the other roll up groups (my two weekend groups are having nothing to do with it) want to use it then I've no problem with it. There is some sense in the idea but clearly not in competitive rounds. Won't disappear before the next edition of the rules are published so I guess that won't be for a a year at the minimum
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