New Labour Leader

[Hacker Khan]

Wasn't my first choice but got convinced it was the 'sensible' vote at this time...
Concerned as to whether he can 'connect' with those away from London...
Though there are plenty of 'traditional' Labour voters in London...

It seems from the last election that a bunch of mostly privately educated poshos managed to connect enough to get a big majority. So you'd hope he has a chance.

 

[SocketRocket]

Diverting nothing! Time and time again boris’s lies and past were used as stick and time and time again people were told it wasn’t about the past and we should get behind him and give him our support etc. incl when people were reminded about boris’s stance and voting history on brexit!

Move on, Brexit is over, we won.

Again!! It's nothing to do with Brexit as a subject but a way to measure the man's previous performance, I can't think of anything he did before.

Look, you don't seem able to make a reasoned discussion without throwing your political prejudiced toys out the pram so I won't be responding to you again on this thread.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

It seems from the last election that a bunch of mostly privately educated poshos managed to connect enough to get a big majority. So you'd hope he has a chance.

But those poshos connected with the electorate in those constituencies by addressing what, to the voters, was their key issue.

Lisa Nandy, for one, acknowledged this.

I'm not certain that Starmer appreciates it to the same extent and, in the eyes of many, is seen as anti-Brexit.

This perception of him could prove costly to the Labour Party.

FWIW I don't think that this should still be an issue but the scars of Brexit run deep and how some of the voters felt they were viewed by the Islington set has not been forgotten.

 

[2blue]

All I want is him to support the Government at this difficult time, there is plenty of time to hold them to account and rebuild the Labour support once, as a Country, we are through this.

Yes indeed..... I hear that in the next few days BJ is getting together with other Party leaders. It must be more than a month ago I suggested this collaborative approach & was shouted down on here.
However when BJ eventually got Sadiq on board he then ignored him & dangerously, continued to encourage building workers to attend non-essential work in London... a very foolish move at any time & particularly so when the Tubes were reduced.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Again!! It's nothing to do with Brexit as a subject but a way to measure the man's previous performance, I can't think of anything he did before.

Look, you don't seem able to make a reasoned discussion without throwing your political prejudiced toys out the pram so I won't be responding to you again on this thread.

Good, you just crack liking my posts about Starmer supporting the Government.
Remember, were all in this together and we need to heal.

Bold bit???

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Yes indeed..... I hear that in the next few days BJ is getting together with other Party leaders. It must be more than a month ago I suggested this collaborative approach & was shouted down on here.
However when BJ eventually got Sadiq on board he then ignored him & dangerously, continued to encourage building workers to attend non-essential work in London... a very foolish move at any time & particularly so when the Tubes were reduced.

It’s only a good idea if a tory proposes it! Come on, keep up.

 

[2blue]

Good points, but Starmer has lengthy experience in senior roles such as The DPP and head of the CPS. He currently carries more “weight” than Lisa.

FWIW, I’ve met Lisa several times as she’s my local MP and she’s always impressed me. She works very hard and is fearsome under pressure. I have a lot more confidence in a Labour Party that puts Starmer, Nandy and Phillips at the top table. The only question for me is what does Starmer do with Long Bailey? Will he take on Momentum or will he try to placate them?

Yes, in deed, anyone who puts Andrew Neil in his place in a 1 to 1 interview is to be admired. I really do hope she gets a place in the Cabinet. Your lucky to have such a strong local MP.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Yes, in deed, anyone who puts Andrew Neil in his place in a 1 to 1 interview is to be admired. I really do hope she gets a place in the Cabinet. Your lucky to have such a strong local MP.

Nandy would have been my choice.
Expierience seems irrelevant nowadays as seen by the large maount of younger MP's compared to years ago.
Someone who can listen to the electorate and act for the betterment of the country and not their own personal or party gain is what we need.
As we see though on these forums, prejudice and personal dogma will always take the lead regardless of the effect that has.

 

[MegaSteve]

It seems from the last election that a bunch of mostly privately educated poshos managed to connect enough to get a big majority. So you'd hope he has a chance.

Strongly suspect the main 'issues' for the next election will be vastly different to the last... Making the views of "privately educated poshos" so last election...

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Strongly suspect the main 'issues' for the next election will be vastly different to the last... Making the views of "privately educated poshos" so last election...

You do realise that Starmer was educated at a fee-paying school.

 

[MegaSteve]

You do realise that Starmer was educated at a fee-paying school.

Rather sadly they all seem to be...

 

[Hobbit]

You do realise that Starmer was educated at a fee-paying school.

As did Corbyn

 

[patricks148]

Being an unpopular powerless Socialist is just a little bit pointless. Society doesn’t currently want Socialism. So the Party needs to reflect what the voters actually want and not just assume that we’re all a bit too stupid to know what we want.

This is a great result. Starmer is intelligent and respected. He’ll eat most of the Government front bench for breakfast. We finally have an Opposition that will pull voters away from the Tories.

its my opinion, i don't think its a good move back to middle ground, the UK needs big change, middle ground isn't going to do it IMO. once the floaters realise the Torys are not the answer and the red wall gets F over once this is all over great they vote middle ground Labour again who won't make tha changes the UK needs.

I'm sad to say i think labour has had its day, the Uk now on the whole just cares about themselves, the "I'm all right jack mentality has taken over. I don't think Scotland would be labour again, even though it still has left wing leanings.. you are prob right, but it doesn't mean i have to like it

 

[MegaSteve]

its my opinion, i don't think its a good move back to middle ground, the UK needs big change, middle ground isn't going to do it IMO. once the floaters realise the Torys are not the answer and the red wall gets F over once this is all over great they vote middle ground Labour again who won't make tha changes the UK needs.

I'm sad to say i think labour has had its day, the Uk now on the whole just cares about themselves, the "I'm all right jack mentality has taken over. I don't think Scotland would be labour again, even though it still has left wing leanings.. you are prob right, but it doesn't mean i have to like it

I've long felt Labour needed to take a bigger step to the left... Currently that's an opinion in the minority with the electorate... Listening is important now and work towards compromises keeping Labour 'values' in mind whilst making those compromises... Hearing "Labour has had its day" is nothing new but I still believe it'll be around for a while yet...

 

[Taz]

Lammy in the cabinet

And the return of Milliband

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Again!! It's nothing to do with Brexit as a subject but a way to measure the man's previous performance, I can't think of anything he did before.

Look, you don't seem able to make a reasoned discussion without throwing your political prejudiced toys out the pram so I won't be responding to you again on this thread.

And if we were to take the briefest look at Johnson's performance as Foreign Secretary - well - but let's put that aside as he was the best (most Brexity) between himself and Hunt and so the one to move forward with. Looking forward - Johnson was the right decision then for the Tories - likewise looking forward Starmer is the right decision today for the Labour Party.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Lammy in the cabinet

And the return of Milliband

Not a great fan of Lammy - but he compares reasonably well against more than a couple who are sat on the government front bench.

Ed Miliband is fine. Plenty of experience. And as Shadow Business Secretary he will be up against - erm - Alok Sharma. Well - given recent performances in front of the nation by the latter I think I might guess who is likely to come on top in debates.

 

[Taz]

Pro EU cabinet, wonder what they;ll be campaigning for ??

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Not a great fan of Lammy - but he compares reasonably well against more than a couple who are sat on the government front bench.

Ed Miliband is fine. Plenty of experience. And as Shadow Business Secretary he will be up against - erm - Alok Sharma. Well - given recent performances in front of the nation by the latter I think I might guess who is likely to come on top in debates.

You clearly don't remember Milliband's past performances.

Remember this is Ed we're talking about not David.

 

[MegaSteve]

With all due respect... We are up to our necks in sh1te and we've got time to be concerned about who's in the shadow cabinet and the Bword? ?...