New 2019 rules

[User101]

Again true ..
A course near me has big tree in mid of fairway at 240 ish .
If ur ball clatters into tree and nobody sees wher it goes, b4 ud have no choice but to play provo or walk back . Wher u drop now ?
Apologies Not trying to b a pain . Just see it bn abused ..

If ur ball ?
b4 ud ?
wher u drop ?

Come on fella, that's 12 year old talk, nothing to do juniors not taking up the game.

 

[Twire]

Cabby don't drag a good thread down. It doesn't matter how people type as long as the message gets across. If you're worried about type, spelling and punctuation you're on the wrong forum.

 

[rulie]

Well there you have it...we have a gur area out of sight at the bottom of our 16th fairway, I've lost two in there over the Winter but obviously can't see it entering, is that ruling saying I could've claimed relief ??

For this situation, there is no difference between the current Rule and the Rule for 2019. In order to take free relief from ground under repair for a ball that has not been found, it must be known or virtually certain that the ball is in the ground under repair. If the ball could be anywhere else, it is not known or virtually certain to be in the GUR.
Application of the Rule is not based solely on "seeing the ball enter the area".

 

[rulefan]

obviously can't see it entering, is that ruling saying I could've claimed relief ??

' ......and it is known or virtually certain that the ball came to rest in ....'

Is there any possibility that it could be elsewhere?

The requirement hasn't changed.

 

[FairwayDodger]

The one I don't understand is changing dropping a ball from shoulder height to knee height. What was the problem there - just seems like change for changes sake?

 

[Old Skier]

They may make the rules but they are not responsible for policing them. They only run a feww competitions themselves.
How do you suggest they police club competitions? How do they control pace of play?

If they can't be bothered to ensure the rules are followed in major comps which are televised and seen to be ignored why do they think that clubs should bother. If clubs and players could see positive action at a higher level it would be easier to deal with IMHO.

 

[rulefan]

If they can't be bothered to ensure the rules are followed in major comps which are televised and seen to be ignored why do they think that clubs should bother. If clubs and players could see positive action at a higher level it would be easier to deal with IMHO.

The R&A only organise one major pro event. The USGA the same I think.
All the rest, except the Masters, are run by the Tours (PGA, European, Asian et al). The PGA Tour employ their own referees.

Just how are they supposed to 'bother' if they don't run them?

 

[User101]

Cabby don't drag a good thread down. It doesn't matter how people type as long as the message gets across. If you're worried about type, spelling and punctuation you're on the wrong forum.

If it's fine by mods then fair enough, though this must be the first forum I've been part of where adults are, that txt type posting is acceptable.

 

[User101]

Is there any possibility that it could be elsewhere?

Of course there is a possibility it could elsewhere, by definition of not seeing where it finished surely.

 

[mikejohnchapman]

The one I don't understand is changing dropping a ball from shoulder height to knee height. What was the problem there - just seems like change for changes sake?

Hopefully stop the plugged ball in a bunker which is unfair if you are dropping under relief.

Also should help avoid having to redrop if the ball keeps bouncing away when dropped.

 

[rulie]

Of course there is a possibility it could elsewhere, by definition of not seeing where it finished surely.

Then, in all probability, you've answered your question - it is not known or virtually certain that your ball, not found, is in the GUR and there is no free relief available. It is a lost ball.

 

[chrisd]

Quits interesting that the requirement to announce, and be watched, lifting a ball to identify it is going to go. I already know a few guys who will effectively use that to prefer their lie?

 

[jim8flog]

The one I don't understand is changing dropping a ball from shoulder height to knee height. What was the problem there - just seems like change for changes sake?

You have to take this procedure coupled with the removal of the 2 club rule part of dropping ie the ball (currently) is allowed to roll 2 club lengths and will still be in play.

The 2019 rules state that the ball must finish within the relief area so it is more likely to do so if only dropped from knee height.

 

[duncan mackie]

Quits interesting that the requirement to announce, and be watched, lifting a ball to identify it is going to go. I already know a few guys who will effectively use that to prefer their lie?

If they are going to cheat then they will do it anyway...

 

[HughJars]

You have to take this procedure coupled with the removal of the 2 club rule part of dropping ie the ball (currently) is allowed to roll 2 club lengths and will still be in play.

The 2019 rules state that the ball must finish within the relief area so it is more likely to do so if only dropped from knee height.

That is a great change!

 

[rulie]

Quits interesting that the requirement to announce, and be watched, lifting a ball to identify it is going to go. I already know a few guys who will effectively use that to prefer their lie?

There is a requirement to announce and provide an opportunity to be observed, but no requirement for the opponent or fellow-competitor to actually watch or observe.

 

[duncan mackie]

There is a requirement to announce and provide an opportunity to be observed, but no requirement for the opponent or fellow-competitor to actually watch or observe.

As Chris highlighted, this is has been removed.
"Elimination of need to announce intent to lift ball:*When you have good reason to lift your ball to identify it, to see if it is cut or cracked or to see if you are entitled to relief (such as to see if the ball is embedded), you are no longer required first to announce to another player or your marker that you intend to do so or to give that person an opportunity to observe the process."

 

[rulie]

As Chris highlighted, this is has been removed.
"Elimination of need to announce intent to lift ball:*When you have good reason to lift your ball to identify it, to see if it is cut or cracked or to see if you are entitled to relief (such as to see if the ball is embedded), you are no longer required first to announce to another player or your marker that you intend to do so or to give that person an opportunity to observe the process."

Yes, I'm aware of that. My response was about the current (2016) Rules and an apparent misunderstanding about a requirement to be watched.

 

[duncan mackie]

Yes, I'm aware of that. My response was about the current (2016) Rules and an apparent misunderstanding about a requirement to be watched.

Nothing apparent or misunderstood (by Chris) in his post that you quoted

"interesting that the requirement to announce, and be watched, lifting a ball to identify it is going to go"
Read more at http://forums.golf-monthly.co.uk/showthread.php?96578-New-2019-rules/page16#TMJX5Wdpdy552Zjb.99

Let alone the thread and it's title

 

[user2010]

If it's fine by mods then fair enough, though this must be the first forum I've been part of where adults are, that txt type posting is acceptable.

Cabby, don't go there bud, you'll end up with an infraction/ban.
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