Multi Tee Medals

[Tashyboy]

An excellent topic to discuss.

Our fuddle has about 30 lads in it. Every year we discuss what tees we are going off for the fuddle, seeing as both our fuddle days are Tuesday and Thursday which is comp days. There is a Clash. We as a group have always voted to go off the white tees and I don’t understand it one bit. Some of the guys are over 70 and do not hit it 200 yards. Ironically the eldest guy in our fuddle is the best player and hits it gorgeous playing off a hcap of 2.
We will be discussing this in the next week or so.
For me, on our 18 hole comp days, we should play off whatever tee we want, and on the 9 hole day when none of our fuddle play in the comp play off the whites. Every other player in our club 18 hole comps plays off whatever tee they choose. Us we have to play off the whites. The majority of players are quite good so they feel they have a chance off the whites in the club comps, a few of us don’t. Me I want to get my handicap down and I feel yellows suits my game as our problems are off the tee.

A few years back I was bloody raging as a few lads in the fuddle were. We turned up for the 18 hole comp ready to play off the whites and a PP said “ it’s a Triple roll over on the 2’s comp, there’s well over £100 in the pot so I am going off the yellows as the par threes will be easier” we all went off the yellows. I was bloody seething. I could see the logic, but that same logic is there every week, every comp. It showed that all some golfers are bothered about is money and not the enjoyment of the game.
Some of the lads have already said “ no matter what the majority decide, I am going off the yellows”.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

An excellent topic to discuss.

Our fuddle has about 30 lads in it. Every year we discuss what tees we are going off for the fuddle, seeing as both our fuddle days are Tuesday and Thursday which is comp days. There is a Clash. We as a group have always voted to go off the white tees and I don’t understand it one bit. Some of the guys are over 70 and do not hit it 200 yards. Ironically the eldest guy in our fuddle is the best player and hits it gorgeous playing off a hcap of 2.
We will be discussing this in the next week or so.
For me, on our 18 hole comp days, we should play off whatever tee we want, and on the 9 hole day when none of our fuddle play in the comp play off the whites. Every other player in our club 18 hole comps plays off whatever tee they choose. Us we have to play off the whites. The majority of players are quite good so they feel they have a chance off the whites in the club comps, a few of us don’t. Me I want to get my handicap down and I feel yellows suits my game as our problems are off the tee.

A few years back I was bloody raging as a few lads in the fuddle were. We turned up for the 18 hole comp ready to play off the whites and a PP said “ it’s a Triple roll over on the 2’s comp, there’s well over £100 in the pot so I am going off the yellows as the par threes will be easier” we all went off the yellows. I was bloody seething. I could see the logic, but that same logic is there every week, every comp. It showed that all some golfers are bothered about is money and not the enjoyment of the game.
Some of the lads have already said “ no matter what the majority decide, I am going off the yellows”.

Surely the yellows will already give you a lower playing HC compared to the whites

 

[Orikoru]

I'd still play off the whites regardless. No point in losing 2 or 3 shots off my playing handicap just to be 10 or 20 yards nearer off the tee. I don't think it makes that much difference to my score.

 

[Slab]

I'd still play off the whites regardless. No point in losing 2 or 3 shots off my playing handicap just to be 10 or 20 yards nearer off the tee. I don't think it makes that much difference to my score.

Yeah it’ll be course (& player) dependent
If the player still has nearly the same GIR attempts from either tee then there’s a lot less point in going forward. But if longer tees has a fair/notable fewer GIRs for their game then I’m jogging to the shorter tee

 

[jim8flog]

But remember your handicap (and resultant) handicap relates to the tees you are playing (or have played).

Yes but under the current method receiving strokes 36 points is playing to handicap so playing a lot shorter course may well be very beneficial.

E.g. where I play my course handicap is exactly the same off yellows and reds and I know on quite a few holes playing tees closer to the 'hazards/obstacles/doglegs' would be a very big advantage.

Therefore in answer to the original question I would choose reds at this course, I would strongly suspect that would be the option for the majority so in the main we still would have a level playing field.

To be honest in a recent course survey one of the main points was that on a lot of holes there is very little difference between reds and yellows (this applies to 12 holes), probably why my handicap would remain the same.

 

[Orikoru]

Yeah it’ll be course (& player) dependent
If the player still has nearly the same GIR attempts from either tee then there’s a lot less point in going forward. But if longer tees has a fair/notable fewer GIRs for their game then I’m jogging to the shorter tee

If it was a Stableford comp you'd have to specifically think about where you're losing a shot too. I'd go from 8 to 7 PH if I played yellows, so I lose a shot on stroke index 8 - which is actually the first hole, a long and tough par 3 that I usually bogey. So I'd then be starting my round off with 1-pointer most likely.

 

[Slab]

If it was a Stableford comp you'd have to specifically think about where you're losing a shot too. I'd go from 8 to 7 PH if I played yellows, so I lose a shot on stroke index 8 - which is actually the first hole, a long and tough par 3 that I usually bogey. So I'd then be starting my round off with 1-pointer most likely.

Yup
Whereas at mine I lost my shot on all par 3’s as soon as I started not getting a shot a hole. So they were the first to go regardless of how bogeyable they are (& they are!)

 

[Orikoru]

Yup
Whereas at mine I lost my shot on all par 3’s as soon as I started not getting a shot a hole. So they were the first to go regardless of how bogeyable they are (& they are!)

Different topic but yeah, I hated that too - always seem to lose shots on par 3s first even though a mid-to-long par 3 is much harder than a short par 4 in my book.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

We introduced Multi Tee competitions last year, including Monthly Medals, off any rated tee for either gender. The vast majority of members played off the whites, which is the 2nd furthest back, but one or two low handicappers decided to play off reds at the end of the season. Completely against the spirit of what was intended. This year Medals will be off blue/white (yellow or red for ladies, albeit none of them play). There will be a Yellow/Red tee Stableford running concurrently. In the Medal, anyone hoping to win the Scratch prize will have to play off Blue, which arre the back tees.

We have a lot of optional stablefords on Thursdays and Sundays, which will remain white/yellow/red. The very low handicappers tend to give them a miss, having little chance of winning.

eh? One of the main objectives of WHS is to enable players to play off whatever tees on a course they want as a player's playing handicap is adjusted according to the course - so these low handicappers are acting completely within the spirit of what is intended. My medal PH off our back tees is 7 - but I would expect that I could play off our most forward (Green) tees if I wanted with a medal PH of 0.

 

[irip]

If it was a Stableford comp you'd have to specifically think about where you're losing a shot too. I'd go from 8 to 7 PH if I played yellows, so I lose a shot on stroke index 8 - which is actually the first hole, a long and tough par 3 that I usually bogey. So I'd then be starting my round off with 1-pointer most likely.

Would you be the same though if you lost it on a par 5 that was a 3 shot hole off either tee.

Course I used to play at had black tees for Pro tournaments.
They were over 7000 yards and it was just a slog.

The whites were about 6500 yards and it was 1 shot different for me.

If a choice I would always play the shorter in that scenario

 

[Orikoru]

Would you be the same though if you lost it on a par 5 that was a 3 shot hole off either tee.

Course I used to play at had black tees for Pro tournaments.
They were over 7000 yards and it was just a slog.

The whites were about 6500 yards and it was 1 shot different for me.

If a choice I would always play the shorter in that scenario

It depends on tee positions though. If I was playing off the red tees than that first hole I was talking about is suddenly a 9 iron to the green instead of a wood/hybrid. So might be worth sacrificing a shot then as you're more likely to par it. But of course I'm sacrificing a shot on stroke 7 as well then - which is a 200 yard par 3, and the reds are not really any closer on that one. Minefield.

In your example it possibly makes sense to sacrifice a shot for a 500 yard shorter course. At my place though the yellows are less than 300 yards shorter than the whites, and depending on what my index was at the time, I could be losing 2 shots rather than 1. Each person would just have to weigh up how many shots they lose, how much shorter or easier the course becomes, and which stroke indexes they lose the shots on - and see whether they think it's worth it or not.

 

[irip]

It depends on tee positions though. If I was playing off the red tees than that first hole I was talking about is suddenly a 9 iron to the green instead of a wood/hybrid. So might be worth sacrificing a shot then as you're more likely to par it. But of course I'm sacrificing a shot on stroke 7 as well then - which is a 200 yard par 3, and the reds are not really any closer on that one. Minefield.

In your example it possibly makes sense to sacrifice a shot for a 500 yard shorter course. At my place though the yellows are less than 300 yards shorter than the whites, and depending on what my index was at the time, I could be losing 2 shots rather than 1. Each person would just have to weigh up how many shots they lose, how much shorter or easier the course becomes, and which stroke indexes they lose the shots on - and see whether they think it's worth it or not.

Yeah it totally depends on the course, the player and the hole where the shot is gained/lost.

 

[peld]

some good reading.
To answer a few points regarding my post:
- the Blue tees are the same as the Reds - again just back to the gender point!! (Men have Blue, Yellow and White rated, Women Red & Yellow).
- not all comps are multi tee - just the "normal" monthly medals - trophy matches, club champs etc will have set tees
- i havent played the whole course off the whites yet, but imo it doesnt change a LOT - 170 yards of the 335 yard difference between the tees are on 5 holes with 17th being 50 of those. Given its 400 vs 450 yard par 4 its not easy anyway - if your drive isnt perfect off the yellows its a 3 shotter anyway, and the whites probably give you a bigger landing area. The first is the other largest change (31 yrds making the 1st 427yrds - not easy but it might actually reset my strategy to play it as a 3 shotter with hybrid off the tee as there is danger right and OOB left.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Yeah it totally depends on the course, the player and the hole where the shot is gained/lost.

In medal play this is irrelevant as the SI of any hole, and whether or not the payer gets a shot on it, has no bearing. Clearly there may be very low SI holes where a forward tee position makes the hole that much easier...but that can be the case for any hole - irrespective of SI.