Mother to be.

FairwayDodger said:
Try this

https://www.bma.org.uk/-/media/file...ide-to-effective-communication-2016.pdf?la=en
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Had a quick look and as I thought it's full of Rammel. You cannot call an expectant mother an expectant mother coz you might upset someone else. Would love to be a fly on the wall when said expectant mother is called "person" and said persons hormones which are in the process of giving birth get just a little upset screaming I am a pregnant mother not a bloody person.
For me the best one is I am now not married to my wife Missis T. I am married to my partner Missis T. Now don't get me wrong, but I am sure when Missis T dragged me down the aisle the vicar asked Missis T to be my wife, not my partner. Neither of us were upset at that announcement, and to the best of my knowledge neither was anyone else in the church. coz when asked, no one objected. Especially the father in law.
Full of Rammel.
 
Tashyboy said:
Had a quick look and as I thought it's full of Rammel. You cannot call an expectant mother an expectant mother coz you might upset someone else. Would love to be a fly on the wall when said expectant mother is called "person" and said persons hormones which are in the process of giving birth get just a little upset screaming I am a pregnant mother not a bloody person.
For me the best one is I am now not married to my wife Missis T. I am married to my partner Missis T. Now don't get me wrong, but I am sure when Missis T dragged me down the aisle the vicar asked Missis T to be my wife, not my partner. Neither of us were upset at that announcement, and to the best of my knowledge neither was anyone else in the church. coz when asked, no one objected. Especially the father in law.
Full of Rammel.
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Not at all - overall an excellent document aimed at treating all patients with respect. Unsurprisingly, you have completely missed the point.

Not sure what the Afrika Korps has to do with it either......
 
FairwayDodger said:
However, the document wasn't aimed specifically at midwives but at all healthcare workers and was much wider ranging than this one phrase.
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I'm not sure it was even aimed at all healthcare workers was it? I had a quick look at the MoS article and right at the bottom it has this response from the BMA: "This is a guide for BMA staff and representatives aimed at promoting an inclusive workplace at the BMA.
It is not workplace guidance for doctors, which is clear from the fact it does not refer to patients."

Agree with you though that although occasionally an idea gets taken too far, this stuff does matter. It costs me nothing at all to use tolerant language so why not just evolve a little and go with the flow?
 
FairwayDodger said:
Not at all - overall an excellent document aimed at treating all patients with respect. Unsurprisingly, you have completely missed the point.

Not sure what the Afrika Korps has to do with it either......
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Karen
Methinks one is confusing the local Nottingham parlance "Rammell"
With a certain WW2 German leader.

Urban dictionary is your friend 👍
 
Oxfordcomma said:
I'm not sure it was even aimed at all healthcare workers was it? I had a quick look at the MoS article and right at the bottom it has this response from the BMA: "This is a guide for BMA staff and representatives aimed at promoting an inclusive workplace at the BMA.
It is not workplace guidance for doctors, which is clear from the fact it does not refer to patients."

Agree with you though that although occasionally an idea gets taken too far, this stuff does matter. It costs me nothing at all to use tolerant language so why not just evolve a little and go with the flow?
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Ah right, I did skip most of the preamble to get straight into the yoghurt knitting bit.
 
FairwayDodger said:
Not at all - overall an excellent document aimed at treating all patients with respect. Unsurprisingly, you have completely missed the point.

Not sure what the Afrika Korps has to do with it either......
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i don't think it is, all of the NHS staff I have met, already treat there staff with the utmost respect. They don't need to read this to endorse what they already do.
 
Tashyboy said:
i don't think it is, all of the NHS staff I have met, already treat there staff with the utmost respect. They don't need to read this to endorse what they already do.
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You

You will not win this one Andy!
So easy to toss thinly veiled insults into the equation (yoghurt whatsits and PC etc,etc)
FD really found your Africa Corps funny,honest mistake but very droll.
 
Tashyboy said:
i don't think it is, all of the NHS staff I have met, already treat there staff with the utmost respect. They don't need to read this to endorse what they already do.
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Taking your example about wife/partner, I'm sure it's not an issue for you. In my case, a regular occurrence is I need to decide whether to allow someone to keep talking about my "husband" or to correct them. Which maybe doesn't sound much but it is very tedious. All these guidelines recommend is to use neutral terms instead of making assumptions in situations where you don't know one way or the other.

Doesn't seem a big deal to me, treats all people respectfully and I can't see how that should upset any reasonable person.
 
Not got any issues with this...

However, having spent a good deal of my time in NHS waiting rooms over the last year, some of the 'attitudes' exhibited by 'customers' towards staff is shocking...
 
FairwayDodger said:
Taking your example about wife/partner, I'm sure it's not an issue for you. In my case, a regular occurrence is I need to decide whether to allow someone to keep talking about my "husband" or to correct them. Which maybe doesn't sound much but it is very tedious. All these guidelines recommend is to use neutral terms instead of making assumptions in situations where you don't know one way or the other.

Doesn't seem a big deal to me, treats all people respectfully and I can't see how that should upset any reasonable person.
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My eg was because it relates to me, it seems a bit far reaching and juvenile to quote other examples which don't refer to me. There is a part where ages have been redefined, which does kinda relate to me, but we now don't have an under ones caregory. They are now under 16. How can that upset an under one year old and why even bother to put it into writing.
Role play time; now then previously expectant person your (previously one day old child) under 16 yr old child can now go home. If this is a guideline it needs a bucket of tippex to go with it
The NHS is massively struggling for monies and someone has okayed this to be published. Would be interesting to see how many people actually read this. Ten mins of me life al never get back.
 
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