MLR L-1 Modification of DQ penalty for failure to sign card

Does your club have MLR L-1 in place

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 8.3%
  • No

    Votes: 22 91.7%

  • Total voters
    24
You might need to add a 3rd option, No Idea

I do not know if this has been introduced at my club or not. There has been no communication saying it has, or that they have declined to. Just radio silence. If may have been introduced and simply not communicated.
Yeah, same here, I've never heard of it. To be honest I rarely ever hand in a signed card anyway, I think they only care about that for the people who are up the top and have earned pro shop credit. Several times I've accidentally gone home with the card still in my pocket and nothing has come of it. As long as you've entered your score in the app that is.
 
Yeah, same here, I've never heard of it. To be honest I rarely ever hand in a signed card anyway, I think they only care about that for the people who are up the top and have earned pro shop credit. Several times I've accidentally gone home with the card still in my pocket and nothing has come of it. As long as you've entered your score in the app that is.
Frankly, in this modern age, once you have inputted the score via the computer and it has been confirmed and vetted by your pp, that should be the end of it. A frequently illegible scribble on a card should not be required.
 
Frankly, in this modern age, once you have inputted the score via the computer and it has been confirmed and vetted by your pp, that should be the end of it. A frequently illegible scribble on a card should not be required.
Even better in future they could go to the model of completely ditching cards altogether and making it all digital. Imagine how much a club could save on needless printing and how much better it would be as a whole if all clubs across the uk weren’t using paper based cards.

It’s a long way off but I can see it happening.
 
Even better in future they could go to the model of completely ditching cards altogether and making it all digital. Imagine how much a club could save on needless printing and how much better it would be as a whole if all clubs across the uk weren’t using paper based cards.

It’s a long way off but I can see it happening.
This is a discussion that has been had before, I agree with you. If anyone wants to take this subject further, please start a new thread as we do not want to disrupt this one. I know from previous discussions on this, we can fill a few pages in no time 😄
 
Even better in future they could go to the model of completely ditching cards altogether and making it all digital. Imagine how much a club could save on needless printing and how much better it would be as a whole if all clubs across the uk weren’t using paper based cards.

It’s a long way off but I can see it happening.
If the Mods will allow one response to the cost of printing cards ( I think Lord Tyrion may be referring to a new thread about digital v hard copy score returns debate), our card printing model , and perhaps many others, pays us to have cards printed. We get a cash sum from the advertising revenue from the card printer, we do not pay anything to the printer. I realise that opens up the ‘green’ debate, but I’m just trying to correct a misconception.
 
If the Mods will allow one response to the cost of printing cards ( I think Lord Tyrion may be referring to a new thread about digital v hard copy score returns debate), our card printing model , and perhaps many others, pays us to have cards printed. We get a cash sum from the advertising revenue from the card printer, we do not pay anything to the printer. I realise that opens up the ‘green’ debate, but I’m just trying to correct a misconception.
As LT mentioned it’s not the thread for it but my point isn’t based on costs to club. It’s based on doing more for the environment it all adds up especially if it becomes compulsory cross the golfing world, theres a lot of paper to be saved I even know the figures but as mentioned it’s for another thread so on that I’ll bow out unless someone creates said thread. 😊
 
The question is, of course, whether the offence of forgetting to sign is so egregious that it merits a DQ. The MLR doesn't exonerate the player but gives us the opportunity to say that a moment's carelessness isn't that bad and that a 2 stroke penalty is enough. Which is presumably the opinion of Golf Canada as it on its hard card. 😉

When you say 'Hard Card' is this in a professional comp when the card is handed to the recorder rather than just being placed in a box?
 
When you say 'Hard Card' is this in a professional comp when the card is handed to the recorder rather than just being placed in a box?
No. A "hard card" is terminology for what are "standard Local Rules" put in place for all competitions run by that organization (in this case, Golf Canada). You can view it at this link...
 
In this context, a hard card is a cross between a set of 'standing local rules' and Terms of the Competition that applies to competitions run by that body (e.g. a profesaional tour or a national governing body). The hard card is normally reviewed and updated annually.

The Committee for an individual professional or elite amateur event that is run under the auspices of that governing body will then produce a set of event- and course-specific additional or supplementary local rules that are to be read in conjunction with the hard card.

By way of specific illustration, for example, the official title of the US PGA Tour hard card is
2025 LOCAL RULES AND TERMS OF THE COMPETITION. THESE APPLY TO COMPETITIONS ON THE PGA TOUR, PGA TOUR CHAMPIONS, KORN FERRY TOUR and PGA TOUR AMERICAS
 
Its a horrible MLR, and it would be a black day indeed if this made it to the Rules proper.
It is a basic tenet of the game to verify your card. Punching some figures into a mobile phone does not verify anything.
DQ is a suitable penalty, and always has been. Whenever a pro is hit with this (Padraig Harrington in the old B&H Masters comes to mind) they always take it in good grace, because they know it is simply their own stupidity.
 
Its a horrible MLR, and it would be a black day indeed if this made it to the Rules proper.
It is a basic tenet of the game to verify your card. Punching some figures into a mobile phone does not verify anything.
DQ is a suitable penalty, and always has been. Whenever a pro is hit with this (Padraig Harrington in the old B&H Masters comes to mind) they always take it in good grace, because they know it is simply their own stupidity.
The problem is at our club is that there are several different ways of completing a card and not all are guaranteed to work.
If I have a decent score I'm pretty certain that I would try to make sure it was completed but the tech doesn't always work.
 
The problem is at our club is that there are several different ways of completing a card and not all are guaranteed to work.
If I have a decent score I'm pretty certain that I would try to make sure it was completed but the tech doesn't always work.
By the tech, do you mean your pencil, because that is all that should be required.
 
At ours we put the scores in the app and upload a photo.
The card goes in the bin then.

We can be DQ for not uploading a photo.

We’re in the middle of a change phisical cards to tech for scoring and it’s a mess.
I don’t know what happens to guys without a smartphone.

I imagine it’s ISV and card in the box so two systems
 
By the tech, do you mean your pencil, because that is all that should be required.
It's maybe all that should be required but when the emphasis is on returning electronically to facilitate the compiling of scores but it fails a pencil is only any use for shoving where the sun don't shine.
 
It's maybe all that should be required but when the emphasis is on returning electronically to facilitate the compiling of scores but it fails a pencil is only any use for shoving where the sun don't shine.
You can be required to submit your score both on a physical card and by electronic means but only one method can be the way in which you must return your score for the competition. The Committee has to specify how a score is to be returned - on a physical card or an electronic one. Whichever one is chosen is the one subject to the requirements of Rule 3.3b with a penalty for not meeting them. It can also require the player to record his score in the non-chosen way but that is not subject to 3.3b and no penalty can be applied to his score for not doing so. Thus, if you are required to return your score on a physical card you can also be asked to record it electronically for, say, handicapping purposes but if you forget to put it into the computer there is no golf penalty. And vice versa.
 
You can be required to submit your score both on a physical card and by electronic means but only one method can be the way in which you must return your score for the competition. The Committee has to specify how a score is to be returned - on a physical card or an electronic one. Whichever one is chosen is the one subject to the requirements of Rule 3.3b with a penalty for not meeting them. It can also require the player to record his score in the non-chosen way but that is not subject to 3.3b and no penalty can be applied to his score for not doing so. Thus, if you are required to return your score on a physical card you can also be asked to record it electronically for, say, handicapping purposes but if you forget to put it into the computer there is no golf penalty. And vice versa.
My point is that when the tech fails there are significant numbers who wont bother to use alternative means particularly where they have not had a great day.. If you've had a slow medal round with indifferent scoring and then the method for entering your score fails who is going to diligently try something else, rather than saying sod this for a game of soldiers and not bothering.
 
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