Minneapolis right now.

Kellfire said:
Antifa aren’t criminals.
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It is impossible to make any real claims either way regarding antifa.

In many ways there is no such thing as the term is really describing a very loose collection of individuals and groups.

Some are not averse to violence and thus could be described as criminals.

Many, probably the majority believe in peaceful protest and resistance and it would be wrong to apply the same label.
 
tugglesf239 said:
Can see both sides of this

Unfortunatly whislt i agree on many, many, many points raised by the left leaning peole involved in this. Being fairly centerist i am sure i am just a whisker away from being denounced as a racist facist boomer white male pig

So i wont bother a peep.

The whole situation is an absolute tragedy and the amount of partisan excuse makers on both sides is sickening. Racist bingo slides whilst a comical are just a sure fire way of shutting down any form of usefull and challanging conversation imo.

We are in a right poo state because lets be honest. Geniune and somtimes credable opinions are blown out of the water under a guise of hatred and shrieks of abuse.

honest feeling is we are screwed full stop as people are indoctronated to hate at both ends of the spectrum. Were stuck and always will be in a stale mate with parties that cant stop denouncing every aspect of the thoir oppositions very being, especially thier thoughts.

its a ruddy mess
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Sometimes people have had enough of the stalemate and a dog whistling president, in this case many black people in the US and also in other countries, and take the only actions they feel they have left.
 
Hacker Khan said:
Sometimes people have had enough of the stalemate and a dog whistling president, in this case many black people in the US and also in other countries, and take the only actions they feel they have left.
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Rioting and looting cant be acceptable ones though. There has to be a better way.
 
MetalMickie said:
It is impossible to make any real claims either way regarding antifa.

In many ways there is no such thing as the term is really describing a very loose collection of individuals and groups.

Some are not averse to violence and thus could be described as criminals.

Many, probably the majority believe in peaceful protest and resistance and it would be wrong to apply the same label.
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Many policemen are criminals but I wouldn’t call policemen criminals.
 
PNWokingham said:
so having a logo representing anarchism and communism with a policy agenda of direct action where violence and property damage is perfectly acceptable must make them good loony left-wing individuals? Real poster boys for the deranged
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Some advocate violence and property damage. Not all. Like some policemen lean on the necks of minorities. Not all.

I assume you think anarchy or communism are immediately bad things?
 
Kellfire said:
Some advocate violence and property damage. Not all. Like some policemen lean on the necks of minorities. Not all.

I assume you think anarchy or communism are immediately bad things?
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And policeman who break the law should and often do get punished. The same as anyone else. But 99.9% of them are hardly criminal and their intensions are to uphold the law. That is completely different to a group (criminal group) that has law-breaking at as a core aim in order to push its loony-left goals

And yes i think anarchy and communism are bad things - i prefer the rule of law and democracy as i believe most peolpe do - especially people like Uighurs who are totally oppressed and killed off under glorious Chinese communism. I presume you don't?
 
PNWokingham said:
And policeman who break the law should and often do get punished. The same as anyone else. But 99.9% of them are hardly criminal and their intensions are to uphold the law. That is completely different to a group (criminal group) that has law-breaking at as a core aim in order to push its loony-left goals

And yes i think anarchy and communism are bad things - i prefer the rule of law and democracy as i believe most peolpe do - especially people like Uighurs who are totally oppressed and killed off under glorious Chinese communism. I presume you don't?
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You don’t understand what anarchy and communism are. I’ll bet you think the Nazis were socialist?
 
Kellfire said:
You don’t understand what anarchy and communism are. I’ll bet you think the Nazis were socialist?
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..ah. Not long before the Nazi's make an appearance along with the Klu Klux Klan and the notions that i don't understand things. There has never and never will be a succesful communist state - it is a nnirvana dreamt up by ideological left loonies. Communist experiments always go wrong, lead to bigger social injustices, greater discrimination, elimations of right, privilages, free speach, more cronyism and division between the workers and elite. Must be your sort of paradise...
 
Nazis? In Germany? National Socialism to use their own phrase. Advocated mass state ownership and control of the education system. (sounds a bit like Momentum to me!) Is that left or right???

Yep they were socialists. Inconvenient truth. They were also mass murderers. You can have lefty killers you know... Communism did for a few folk over the years...and that chap Pol Pot? Hardly Tory was he?

Interesting the first definition of Fascism I saw on Google said "characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, as well as strong regimentation of society and of the economy" - blimey, that's also communism, isn't it??

Bede made mention of this 2300 years ago :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
SocketRocket said:
Many Policemen are criminals, really!...
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Not sure if you are questioning this or agreeing, but it can’t be a surprise that there are Policemen who break the law regularly.
Whether they illegally kill people, take money for protection, work for organised crime etc.
But far from the majority of course.
 
IanM said:
Nazis? In Germany? National Socialism to use their own phrase. Advocated mass state ownership and control of the education system. (sounds a bit like Momentum to me!) Is that left or right???

Yep they were socialists. Inconvenient truth. They were also mass murderers. You can have lefty killers you know... Communism did for a few folk over the years...and that chap Pol Pot? Hardly Tory was he?

Interesting the first definition of Fascism I saw on Google said "characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, as well as strong regimentation of society and of the economy" - blimey, that's also communism, isn't it??

Bede made mention of this 2300 years ago :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
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I can sum this up as WRONG.

But I know people don’t like that here so I’ll link you to a very simple explanation - https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.britannica.com/amp/story/were-the-nazis-socialists
 
PNWokingham said:
..ah. Not long before the Nazi's make an appearance along with the Klu Klux Klan and the notions that i don't understand things. There has never and never will be a succesful communist state - it is a nnirvana dreamt up by ideological left loonies. Communist experiments always go wrong, lead to bigger social injustices, greater discrimination, elimations of right, privilages, free speach, more cronyism and division between the workers and elite. Must be your sort of paradise...
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Well you don’t understand things. Communism in its purist form is the best form of government if you’d even call that a form of government. It’s not a bad thing to aspire to as much as possible. We shouldn’t look at the USSR or China for true communism as it’s anything but that.
 
Kellfire said:
Well you don’t understand things. Communism in its purist form is the best form of government if you’d even call that a form of government. It’s not a bad thing to aspire to as much as possible. We shouldn’t look at the USSR or China for true communism as it’s anything but that.
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The truest form of aspirational society that cannot and never will exist in any way like the Liberal lefties who aspire to this impossible nirvana.

And there again thanks for reminding me that I Don't understand things. Where would we all be if it weren't for you delusional dreamers to point out the errors of our ways.
 
Kellfire said:
Well you don’t understand things. Communism in its purist form is the best form of government if you’d even call that a form of government. It’s not a bad thing to aspire to as much as possible. We shouldn’t look at the USSR or China for true communism as it’s anything but that.
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so, I apologise... so, you just said Nazis stopped being socialist when your website says so, and the communism is "the best form of government" but when causes uniform poverty and death, we'll call it something else.

I am now suitably educated, many thanks
 
PNWokingham said:
who cares who he supports - half the country support Trump - no reason in any way to link this bloke (and no idea who he is or what he has said elsewhere) with the Klu Klux Klan for giving a pro law-and-order and peaceful-protest speach - that sort of subtext link is fule for Antifa hooligans
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I care who he supports.

Trump mouthpiece = no credibility = opinion not valid.
 
gmc40 said:
I care who he supports.

Trump mouthpiece = no credibility = opinion not valid.
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Poor you. The majority of US electorate voted for Trump - many in reality for the party not the individual - so that leaves a lot of the world's biggest economy without a say in your view
 
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