USER1999
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I thought Ozil was fantastic in the World Cup final. He tracked back, worked hard, and really put in some effort. If Wenger doesn't get that level of performance, that's coaching, not the player.
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I thought Ozil was fantastic in the World Cup final. He tracked back, worked hard, and really put in some effort. If Wenger doesn't get that level of performance, that's coaching, not the player.
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Ozil is the creative player - a £42mil pound creative player who is currently playing more in the wide areas on the peripheral - he isn't a water carrier in any stretch and he wasn't at Madrid nor at Germany and certainly don't see him doing much water carrier at Arsenal.
sawtooth
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Possibly a fitness or strength issue. He is simply not doing some of the things we know he can do. He doesn't get away from players like I have seen him do at RM, he gets brushed off the ball way too often, he is misplacing a lot of passes, not tracking back and tackling enough. I can forgive him for being off form but at least try to give 100%. He should take a look at Sanchez , that guy gives everything.
Want to see more return for £42M and if things don't improve this season then he will be on his way.
Want to see more return for £42M and if things don't improve this season then he will be on his way.
Whatever. You and I clearly won't agree so I'll leave it as you'll keep on going whatever I put down here. Others have come back and argued other points but you seem to be picking up on my opinions I don't want to turn a decent thread into a farce
richart
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Good unbiased opinion there Sean.
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Because the points they have put across are spot on regards Ozil current playing situation for Arsenal - yours appears to be completely wrong about the way he is playing. But will leave it there
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Yep think you have that spot on - Sanchez never stopped working today , constantly trying to get involved and trying to get things going
Sorry. How can opinion be wrong. Didn't realise you had the definitive vote on what is and isn't correct
ColchesterFC
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Can't believe we're on page 2 of the thread and no-one had mentioned Rooney in the over rated category. My forum name will give you a clue to who I support so I have no allegiance to any of the top teams and I am happy to accept that there are a lot of people with more football experience than me (Alex Ferguson, Roy Hodgson etc) that rate him highly but I've never understood the fascination with him or why people think he's that good. Also always thought that Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard are over rated. If you put me in a midfield with Xabi Alonso/Michael Essien feeding Fernando Torres/Didier Drogba then I think they would make me look much better than I am.
richart
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But would you score 200 plus goals ?
Piece
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Seem to remember another left sided player who was panned for being rubbish in his first few months at Arsenal. Thierry Henry.
No real disrespect to Arsenal, but MO had gone from playing at Real with top world class players such CR7, Benzema, etc. to playing with wannabes in North London. Not to mention winning a World Cup in a brilliant team.
Perhaps this helps reinforce a great golfing cliche: stick a decent golfer in a group of hackers and he will be dragged down to their level.
No real disrespect to Arsenal, but MO had gone from playing at Real with top world class players such CR7, Benzema, etc. to playing with wannabes in North London. Not to mention winning a World Cup in a brilliant team.
Perhaps this helps reinforce a great golfing cliche: stick a decent golfer in a group of hackers and he will be dragged down to their level.
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And Gerrard hasn't always had Alonso and Torres - 4 seasons out of his 15 seasons
ColchesterFC
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Depends how long you're willing to give me to score them. But if you've got players behind you that allow you to get forward and get in the box then the chances are you will end up in positions to score more goals.
ColchesterFC
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Maybe not, but he has had Sturridge, Suarez, Coutinho, Mascherano, Anelka, Cisse, Fowler, Luis Garcia, Morientes, Owen, Carroll and Heskey (OK I'm joking with the last two) around him for a lot of his career and that list of players would make me look a lot better than I am.
Liverbirdie
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Gerrard- you now officially know nothing about football.
ColchesterFC
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I refer you to my points above. Looks better than he actually is due to the players he's had around him.
If he is a truly world class player then why have him and Lampard never done it together for England.
G_Mulligan
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Bearing in mind and in the interest of fairness, I'm sure the guy has qualities. His list of employers and more importantly, trophies is very impressive.
however, the man has to be the most overrated footballer I've ever come across. King of the three 3yd straight/backward pass. The man is the biggest crab. He's crap, pure crap and nothing but crap.
wow that feels better
Hope this isn't seen as an anti arsenal thing, feel free to post your footballer who is seen as great but, just isn't
Certain people in a far far better position to judge than you disagree. Jose Mourinho and Christiano Ronaldo describe him as the best number 10 in the world. Both of his current managers clearly agree one paid £42 million for him and the other started him in every game in the world cup and won it. Ozil is a fantastic player who has just come back from winning the world cup in South America straight after his first season in a fast paced new league. The guy is just getting back to fitness and to call him overrated is laughable.
Also Gerrard and Beckham are fantastic players too and whoever said they were overrated are also talking nonsense.
surely by that token, messi and Ronaldo aren't very good either as they're supported my iniesta, xavi, Pedro, benzema, bale and have done nothing on the world stage either?
Liverbirdie
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Granted, he hasn't performed as well for England, but he was mainly shifted around the team not playing in his best position.
In the premier league and champions league(lots say that this is currently the pinnacle of football) he has been fantastic. 174 career goals mainly from midfield, probably better than 90% of premier league strikers.
ColchesterFC
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I would say that Messi and Ronaldo are the exact opposite of Gerrard/Lampard in that they are the ones bringing out the best in the players around them. Yes Iniesta and Xavi are very good players but Messi also does it for Argentina. Not 100% conviced by Pedro (yet) or Benzema, Bale looks very good so far but not sure if it's only his pace that makes him look that good and whether that alone is sustainable over his career.
