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Bearing in mind and in the interest of fairness, I'm sure the guy has qualities. His list of employers and more importantly, trophies is very impressive.

however, the man has to be the most overrated footballer I've ever come across. King of the three 3yd straight/backward pass. The man is the biggest crab. He's crap, pure crap and nothing but crap.

wow that feels better :)



Hope this isn't seen as an anti arsenal thing, feel free to post your footballer who is seen as great but, just isn't
 
For me it always used to be Beckham - he could cross and hit a dead ball and was a solid player but was way overrated

Marcelo at Madrid

I think Ibrahimovic is a flat track bully who appears to constantly disappear when it comes to the big games

But think you have pretty much sorted with your first post and Ozil
 
Liverpoolphil said:
For me it always used to be Beckham - he could cross and hit a dead ball and was a solid player but was way overrated

Marcelo at Madrid

I think Ibrahimovic is a flat track bully who appears to constantly disappear when it comes to the big games

But think you have pretty much sorted with your first post and Ozil
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Having been of exactly that same opinion about Beckham, I think he ended up as a fairly inspirational Captain- if fairly unsubtlely about it! So I'm prepared to cut him a bit of slack for that.

Rio Ferdinand has been the most over-rated imo! Certainly in the last few years!

I have a 'natural' hatred of 'cheats' so all the Divers (and Biters) get Black Marks from me - but so do the Grabbers/Tuggers/Holders in Defence - and the Pushing/Leaning Attackers! Skrtel is the 'worst' for me - not over-rated, but I wish he'd get Penalties against him for his constant cheating as he's otherwise a really good Defender!
 
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Virgil van Dijk for us at the moment.....massively overrated.

In English football I give you Gerrard,Walcott,Wellbeck,Cleverly,Carroll,Ozil,Krul....it would be a lengthy list.
 
Thank Wenger for that.

Play a world class player out of his position and what do you get?

Dennis Bergkamp wouldn't have been much good on the wing.
 
Ozil a far far better player than the one you are seeing at Arsenal sadly. Played out of position and with no one running off him, they are hardly playing to his strengths. Doesnt help that he looks highly disinterested most of the time too
 
It's all relative at the end of the day - none of them are what you would call "poor" footballers - they wouldn't be professional footballers playing at the level they do

Ozil for example was outstanding for a Germany before he moved to Arsenal

Ibrahimovic has won titles with every club he has been at

Beckham has a trophy list longer that most

Gerrard have won ever club trophy bar one - including inspiring his team during two of the best cup finals seen in football

Ferdinand was at one stage the best CB in the game

It will always depend on what is being used as the barometer to just against
 
Ozil is a top player and I think the OP is way off the mark. Someone has to do the simple stuff and he does it well and is a fulcrum for the Arsenal pass and move style. It's no different to the stuff the likes of Barry has done for his club and England for so long
 
davemc1 said:
Bearing in mind and in the interest of fairness, I'm sure the guy has qualities. His list of employers and more importantly, trophies is very impressive.

however, the man has to be the most overrated footballer I've ever come across. King of the three 3yd straight/backward pass. The man is the biggest crab. He's crap, pure crap and nothing but crap.

wow that feels better :)



Hope this isn't seen as an anti arsenal thing, feel free to post your footballer who is seen as great but, just isn't
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Darren Anderton. Whilst he wasn't terrible and never let anyone down. How he justified an England career is beyond me.

I wont on go into let downs at Saints as I don't have enough time.
 
Jack Wilshere as got to be one of the most over rated players currently in the game.
As for Beckham,quality player & great professional. People just like to dislike him for some reason.
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Ozil is a top player and I think the OP is way off the mark. Someone has to do the simple stuff and he does it well and is a fulcrum for the Arsenal pass and move style. It's no different to the stuff the likes of Barry has done for his club and England for so long
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I think it might be the only time Barry and Ozil are described as similar!

A few others IMO: Mario Ballotelli, Nani, Anderson, Andy Carroll, Andrei Schevchenko, Fernando Torres at Chelsea, Sergei Rebrov, Kleberson, Eric Djemba Djemba, Andrei Arshaven...
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Ozil is a top player and I think the OP is way off the mark. Someone has to do the simple stuff and he does it well and is a fulcrum for the Arsenal pass and move style. It's no different to the stuff the likes of Barry has done for his club and England for so long
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You don't spend £42mil on a player to do the simple stuff

He is or was a far more creative player than that - everything went through him at Madrid and when with Germany he is the creative force put chance after chance on a plate - the reason why Ronaldo scored so many goals was because of Ozil floating around picking up the ball from the continuity players like Khedria - you don't spend £42mil on a player who you compare with Gareth Barry

Either he isn't fit , isn't interested or being played all wrong - but certainly needs something to happen for him
 
davemc1 said:
Bearing in mind and in the interest of fairness, I'm sure the guy has qualities. His list of employers and more importantly, trophies is very impressive.

however, the man has to be the most overrated footballer I've ever come across. King of the three 3yd straight/backward pass. The man is the biggest crab. He's crap, pure crap and nothing but crap.

wow that feels better :)



Hope this isn't seen as an anti arsenal thing, feel free to post your footballer who is seen as great but, just isn't
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I thought I was the only one that thought that. Has he ever broken sweat in a game ? A midfield player that doesn't tackle or track back relies on playing with some quality team mates. Perhaps why he does better for Germany than Club ?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
You don't spend £42mil on a player to do the simple stuff

He is or was a far more creative player than that - everything went through him at Madrid and when with Germany he is the creative force put chance after chance on a plate - the reason why Ronaldo scored so many goals was because of Ozil floating around picking up the ball from the continuity players like Khedria - you don't spend £42mil on a player who you compare with Gareth Barry

Either he isn't fit , isn't interested or being played all wrong - but certainly needs something to happen for him
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Oh look, another post disagreeing on my view. A lot goes through him at Arsenal (so same as his RM role). He is being played by Wenger in a different role to his time in Germany and that's what he wants Ozil to do. I'd suggest he feels there are better attacking options. I only compared him to Barry as both are doing the water carrying role and linking the ball from the back to the creative players. Ozil is miles ahead of Barry technically but if Wenger doesn't want to use him in a more creative role what can a player do
 
He is a great player, who Wenger is not getting the best out of. He loves to buy a player, and play him out of his favourite position, and then run him into the ground. He just does. Arsenal have so many players who can play off the striker. Cazorla, Ozil, Rocky, Ramsey, Wilshere, Ox, etc. so to use them all, he puts them out wide. Daft. If you want a winger, buy one. Don't try to change a central midfielder to a winger, it doesn't work.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
You don't spend £42mil on a player to do the simple stuff

He is or was a far more creative player than that - everything went through him at Madrid and when with Germany he is the creative force put chance after chance on a plate - the reason why Ronaldo scored so many goals was because of Ozil floating around picking up the ball from the continuity players like Khedria - you don't spend £42mil on a player who you compare with Gareth Barry

Either he isn't fit , isn't interested or being played all wrong - but certainly needs something to happen for him
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whilst I agree with the rest. Ronaldo has scored just as many since his departure. And will do whoever is in the team as he's that good.
 
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