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thecraw
Guest
Future world number one in my opinion!
Discuss.
Discuss.
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birdieman
Guest
Hmmm, not convinced yet but a very solid game throughout and obviously the right temperament. I would have thought McIlroy is a greater talent potentially and more likely to make No.1.
Watched a bit of Ricky Fowlers play in the Bob Hope last night, looks the real deal too, next big thing according to the Yanks. Interested to see what he can do this year.
Watched a bit of Ricky Fowlers play in the Bob Hope last night, looks the real deal too, next big thing according to the Yanks. Interested to see what he can do this year.
Spoff
Tour Rookie
Totally agree, Craw. He looks totally unflappable. He would have won the race to Dubai last year if it wasn't for the broken foot and I think he will win it this year.
McIlroy is much more exciting to watch, and will therefore get more fans, but Kaymer is much more ruthless.
He's won four or five times now I think. Will be interesting to see how he does in the Majors and WGCs this year.
I can imagine the two of them standing next to each other at the end of tournaments a lot over the next ten years, I'd wager Kaymer will win a lot more than McIlroy.
McIlroy is much more exciting to watch, and will therefore get more fans, but Kaymer is much more ruthless.
He's won four or five times now I think. Will be interesting to see how he does in the Majors and WGCs this year.
I can imagine the two of them standing next to each other at the end of tournaments a lot over the next ten years, I'd wager Kaymer will win a lot more than McIlroy.
drawboy
Tour Winner
I'm with you Craw, the guy has nerves of steel and isn't afraid to win, put a solid all around game on that and you have a very formidable opponent.The hardest thing a pro has to learn is how to win,many do not have the balls to finish a round off, Kaymer has. He is top 6 now (I think) but the leap to number 1 is difficult. It depends on how quickly Tiger comes back.
Last year Kaymer won, and looked good.
But a lot of guys do that, and then don't get seen again for several years ( list any one of half a dozen Brits as an example )
So I wasn't holding my breath for him just yet.
But he's already proved me wrong this year. If he goes injury free, I think he'll get in the winning habit.
And I've always been more of a fan of really good players who make the most of their talent rather than great talents that don't shine as brightly as they should.
I'm beginning to get rather excited about how far Kaymer can go. Not to tempt fate, but at this point I'd much rather put money on him rather than any of the Brits or Irish, including all the more experienced guys like Westwood, Casey, & Poulter.
And imo definately more than Rory. Rory has got to start getting into the habit of winning tournaments, not just earning big money, otherwise he'll find a comfort zone like so many others before him.
Kaymer has, I believe 5 tournament wins to date, he's won in each of 2008, 2009, and now 2010.
He has the complete skill set, and he's just about coming into his physical prime over the next few years.He can definately get into the top 3.
I rate him.
But a lot of guys do that, and then don't get seen again for several years ( list any one of half a dozen Brits as an example )
So I wasn't holding my breath for him just yet.
But he's already proved me wrong this year. If he goes injury free, I think he'll get in the winning habit.
And I've always been more of a fan of really good players who make the most of their talent rather than great talents that don't shine as brightly as they should.
I'm beginning to get rather excited about how far Kaymer can go. Not to tempt fate, but at this point I'd much rather put money on him rather than any of the Brits or Irish, including all the more experienced guys like Westwood, Casey, & Poulter.
And imo definately more than Rory. Rory has got to start getting into the habit of winning tournaments, not just earning big money, otherwise he'll find a comfort zone like so many others before him.
Kaymer has, I believe 5 tournament wins to date, he's won in each of 2008, 2009, and now 2010.
He has the complete skill set, and he's just about coming into his physical prime over the next few years.He can definately get into the top 3.
I rate him.
viscount17
Money List Winner
I'm starting to think we have a pretty solid basis for the RC team; Kaymer, Fisher, McIlroy, Poulter,
Just hope they all stay in the mix until then, and that petty squabbles don't interfere with what's good for the team.
Just hope they all stay in the mix until then, and that petty squabbles don't interfere with what's good for the team.
Robobum
Money List Winner
Absolutely agree Viscount, Europe now have:
Westwood
Kaymer
Harrington
Stenson
Casey
Poulter
McIlroy
Garcia
Fisher
all in the world top 20!!
Westwood
Kaymer
Harrington
Stenson
Casey
Poulter
McIlroy
Garcia
Fisher
all in the world top 20!!
algar5
Challenge Tour Pro
I agree I believe that Martin Kaymer has the all round game and temperament to reach the dizzy heights of World No. 1. I cannot see any weakness in his game and his mental stremgh is brilliant. He is constantly progressing and just needs to keep doing so and moving up the rankings and winning Majors and WGC Events.
davykyle
Medal Winner
Kaymer seriously impressed me yesterday. Poulter threw the kitchen sink at him yesterday with 3 birdies in the first four holes. It didnt faze him and he completed a very impressive round of golf to win.
I think if McIlroy had Kaymer's short game then there would be someone who could challenge Woods. McIlroys iron play yesterday was on a par with Woods with its devastating accuracy, but his chumped pitch admittedly out of horrible wiry rough and his lack of conversion of his putts early on will always put him under pressure to knock the ball continually close.
However McIlroys consistency over the last 10 tournaments has been highly impressive and I hope he is going to win another tournament soon. He is only 20 so he's only really a pup at this stage.
I think if McIlroy had Kaymer's short game then there would be someone who could challenge Woods. McIlroys iron play yesterday was on a par with Woods with its devastating accuracy, but his chumped pitch admittedly out of horrible wiry rough and his lack of conversion of his putts early on will always put him under pressure to knock the ball continually close.
However McIlroys consistency over the last 10 tournaments has been highly impressive and I hope he is going to win another tournament soon. He is only 20 so he's only really a pup at this stage.
jammydodger
Tour Winner
I think perhaps Mr Casey would have had a lot to say about that if he hadnt had his rib injury for half the year.
I can see Kaymer being a solid top 10 player but no way a world no1. there are many many very well thought of youngsters coming through
Kaymer , Villegas , Fowler , McIlroy , Fisher , Quiros , Noren , Schwartzel , Kim etc etc add to that mix those that have been around a while but have yet to really shine like Casey , Scott , Garcia , Immelman (sp) , Stenson etc
Add to that mix the established major winners like Woods , Big Phil ,Paddy ,els , Goosen and Cabrera etc etc
Then you can see why its gonna be very hard to get to no1 in the world never mind hold down a regular top 10 spot.
freddielong
Tour Winner
I agree with all the good things said about Kaymer he seems to have everything
pokerjoke
Money List Winner
He is undoubtably a major talent and seems very cool under pressure,there is no doubt in my mind europe will win the ryder cup quite easy.
IM01
Challenge Tour Pro
He's a cool customer under pressure and has the uncanny ability of being able to hole the putts on the back 9 on sunday.This sets him apart from the superior ball strikers Garcia,Mclroy and Scott.
Not sure he'll get to world no.1 but he'll be European Order of Merit winner this year.
Not sure he'll get to world no.1 but he'll be European Order of Merit winner this year.
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thecraw
Guest
I will have to totally disagree with just about every player you mentioned there. In my opinion Kaymer is a far far better all round player than all of them, (I'm not classing your major winners in here!)
Villegas, far far too inconsistant, hot or cold.
Fowler, I dont know enough about but I think he'll need a year or two on tour.
McIlroy, awesome player but like Garcia is questionable with the short stick!
Fisher, great solid player but not as solid or all round as Kayer in my opinion.
Quiros, either brilliant or wild off the tee and same with his putter, even more streaky than Villegas.
Noren, nowhere near as good as Kaymer.
Schwartzel, can he do it outside SA?
Kim, like Quiros wild off the tee.
Casey, quite confident he will win a major, probably the next Brit to do so. Again I think Kaymer has more in his locker than Casey.
Scott and Immelman, both had far too many years in a comfort zone and didnt progress or push on. Never as good.
Garcia, awesome player but cant putt worth a f**k!
Stenson, cant hit a driver.
Not sure where this love in for Fowler is all coming from....so he was a great amateur,wow,there have been plenty done that and gone on to do a fraction of what was expected.Maybe someone from GM could enlighten me seeing as they had him as being a Ryder Cup debutant this year? 
As for Kaymer I think he would have coasted to the RTB last season had he not been injured and unless young Rory starts winning this season instead of having multiple good finishes I think he will win it with ease.....Ewan Murray started bleating on about how good this guy was 2 and a bit years back and he aint often wrong.
As for Kaymer I think he would have coasted to the RTB last season had he not been injured and unless young Rory starts winning this season instead of having multiple good finishes I think he will win it with ease.....Ewan Murray started bleating on about how good this guy was 2 and a bit years back and he aint often wrong.
Screwback
Tour Rookie
I have to agree and disagree here,
Amazing talent - Yes bags of it in fact and a solid top ten golfer Great temprement great striking and amazing putter.
World number 1 - For me he would get there as above he has it all but one thing the wow factor i think steady golf will win him the odd tournament and a lot of good finishes but not enough to keep with Tiger for No 1.
Amazing talent - Yes bags of it in fact and a solid top ten golfer Great temprement great striking and amazing putter.
World number 1 - For me he would get there as above he has it all but one thing the wow factor i think steady golf will win him the odd tournament and a lot of good finishes but not enough to keep with Tiger for No 1.
TRS30
Head Pro
Solid player with an all round game and most importantly produces under pressure. Defo top 10 material but not sure about no 1.
jammydodger
Tour Winner
Fair enough Craw , my point really was to highlight that there are so many golfers out there capable of winning that Kaymer may only pick up the odd win himself , hence not getting to no1 in the world.
Woods/Mickleson have shown they are capable of picking up multiple big tournamounts each year. I dont think Kaymer is good enough to do this (yet) and will struggle to earn the massive WR points necessary to gain no1 spot.
PS. All those players I mentioned are or WILL be capable of winning the bigger tournys
didsbury_duffer
Challenge Tour Pro
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Villegas, far far too inconsistant, hot or cold.
Fowler, I dont know enough about but I think he'll need a year or two on tour.
McIlroy, awesome player but like Garcia is questionable with the short stick!
Fisher, great solid player but not as solid or all round as Kayer in my opinion.
Quiros, either brilliant or wild off the tee and same with his putter, even more streaky than Villegas.
Noren, nowhere near as good as Kaymer.
Schwartzel, can he do it outside SA?
Kim, like Quiros wild off the tee.
Casey, quite confident he will win a major, probably the next Brit to do so. Again I think Kaymer has more in his locker than Casey.
Scott and Immelman, both had far too many years in a comfort zone and didnt progress or push on. Never as good.
Garcia, awesome player but cant putt worth a f**k!
Stenson, cant hit a driver.
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Craw - excellent precis of these players and I couldn't have put it better myself. However, I differ on Schwartzel - I think he has much promise and I believe that he will do it outside SA.
Villegas, far far too inconsistant, hot or cold.
Fowler, I dont know enough about but I think he'll need a year or two on tour.
McIlroy, awesome player but like Garcia is questionable with the short stick!
Fisher, great solid player but not as solid or all round as Kayer in my opinion.
Quiros, either brilliant or wild off the tee and same with his putter, even more streaky than Villegas.
Noren, nowhere near as good as Kaymer.
Schwartzel, can he do it outside SA?
Kim, like Quiros wild off the tee.
Casey, quite confident he will win a major, probably the next Brit to do so. Again I think Kaymer has more in his locker than Casey.
Scott and Immelman, both had far too many years in a comfort zone and didnt progress or push on. Never as good.
Garcia, awesome player but cant putt worth a f**k!
Stenson, cant hit a driver.
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Craw - excellent precis of these players and I couldn't have put it better myself. However, I differ on Schwartzel - I think he has much promise and I believe that he will do it outside SA.
vig
Tour Winner
I think Kaymer will be Bernard Langer mkII. Enough said.
german efficiency but bland. And before anyone pulls me up on it I didn't put a capitol G on purpose
german efficiency but bland. And before anyone pulls me up on it I didn't put a capitol G on purpose
