low/high handicap clubs

[Mick47]

Mmm my post seems to have raised a few peoples hackles. Re- being an idiot, well a novice who flies in the face of accepted wisdom can't expect to get pats on the back, so maybe idiot fits, if so I'll take that on the chin, I've been called worse.
I'll play a round tomorrow and again midweek I reckon that if my better form continues over the next few games, then I might just toss my idiot hat in the lost property bin in the changing room. If on the other hand, I start to struggle then I may well have to take the poker playing dogs advice.
Meantime I have a block of 6 lessons booked (retirement present) so I'll start the lessons in a couple of weeks, by that time I'll know whether or not I'm too stupid to play golf.

 

[Aztecs27]

Mmm my post seems to have raised a few peoples hackles. Re- being an idiot, well a novice who flies in the face of accepted wisdom can't expect to get pats on the back, so maybe idiot fits, if so I'll take that on the chin, I've been called worse.
I'll play a round tomorrow and again midweek I reckon that if my better form continues over the next few games, then I might just toss my idiot hat in the lost property bin in the changing room. If on the other hand, I start to struggle then I may well have to take the poker playing dogs advice.
Meantime I have a block of 6 lessons booked (retirement present) so I'll start the lessons in a couple of weeks, by that time I'll know whether or not I'm too stupid to play golf.

My advice would be to ignore the negativity and enjoy your new bats. You got a properly good deal from Dave on the MP-57's, and they're great clubs. Sure there are more forgiving clubs available, but I've played with clubs a lot less forgiving too.

Don't worry about trying to justify your purchase to anyone by shooting low scores - more often than not this will make you play horribly.

If they don't work out, I'd be surprised if you didn't re-coup most of the money you spent on them. Then you can use that money to buy some shovels that you're "supposed" to be using.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

My advice would be to ignore any posts which have any personal judgements in them.
I don't know you or Hugh so can't comment on which one of you is the idiot.

None of us on here hit a ball like Lee Westwood, does that mean none of us should use anything other than GI clubs?
NO!

I've been to the Belfry several times and different pro's/custom fitters have different opinions on what clubs people should use.
All you can do is hit the clubs and see what happens, bearing in mind that on different days we play to different levels on every aspect of our game (even tour pros have inconsistancies).

Some people have good long games and poor short games (me for example), some are the other way around. As such we cannot be definitive about which clubs suit someone without seeing them hit those clubs on more than one occasion.

Just go down to the course, chill out and have a relaxing game of golf.

(I would have put a few reassuring smilies in there somewhere, but don't know how)

 

[Snelly]

In my opinion some golfers who are a fairly low hcp but would kill to be lower and do all the can to get lower and its all they ever talk/think about, these are usually the blokes who see a higher hcp player using a club that is aimed at low hcp golfers and decide to say he shouldnt be using them!
Why? I think they get a bit worried that high hcp/new golfer may just start hitting the ball much better than themselves and ultimately reach a lower hcp!
I've seen it in action and kind of been on the receiving end too, people are strange and when some people see others succeed at something they have strived for years at and not succeeded they get jealous and can be overly critical to try and put doubt in peoples minds so they fail!

Its interesting that the really good golfers you meet dont have all the best gear but they are just good at golf!

I can fully appreciate that some clubs are easier to hit than others but if a high hcp golfer decides to use a blade then I dont think he deserves to be called an idiot and made to have doubts!

End of the day its a golf club, if someone with a higher hcp than you can hit the ball better than you should be happy for them!

I think there is something in what you say there.

And at the risk of sounding repetitive, if you think new equipment is the route to better golf then you are a hopelessly misguided optimist or mental. Again though, I am not knocking the OP for getting some Mizunos. If it makes you happy then good luck to you. I would bet your golf will remain about the same once the placebo effect wears off with the new ones.

And again to the OP, if you like, I will buy (or you can lend me) your Big Bertha irons off you and play with them for a bit and see how I get on. Might help to prove the point or of course, prove that I am completely wrong. Let me know if you want to sell them and how much for. I could do with a new set as I haven't changed irons for 10 years!

 

[Pro Zach]

Re- being an idiot, well a novice who flies in the face of accepted wisdom can't expect to get pats on the back, so maybe idiot fits, if so I'll take that on the chin,

There is a difference between accepted wisdom and accepted belief.


Accepted belief is when people believe something without evidence to show probability.Accepted wisdom is when people believe something that has evidence to show probability.


GI clubs, equal easier to use, is a valid hypothesis. We have had enough people, for enough time, to now show the evidence to prove the hypothesis. The problem is that the evidence is not there. Until someone can show that golfers are better at golf now then they where before the introduction of the GI clubs, accepting the hypothesis as truth is a belief and not a wisdom.


I don't normally call people idiots, but seeing as the term has been used, the idiot is the person who keeps arguing a theory that never produces evidence to prove it is correct.


So to answer the OP's question: “ By most forumers logic, my purchase should have been a bad mistake, so why wasn't it?”


It's because most forumers 'logic' is more theology than logic.

 

[Mick47]

So to answer the OP's question: “ By most forumers logic, my purchase should have been a bad mistake, so why wasn't it?”


It's because most forumers 'logic' is more theology than logic.

At least for now, I'll settle for that.

 

[Mick47]

Apologies for resurrecting this thread but as it caused a bit of a stir I thought I'd update on progress.
Ok as stated in the OP the first round produced a PB of 92, played three rounds since, 2nd round 101 though to be fair it was blowing a hooley, 3rd round was 96 and todays stableford 95 for 40 points. (My best showing in compitition)
Before changing clubs I had only played to my H/C twice in almost 2 years, in three out of the last four games I've played under H/C. Long story short the Callies are sold and the MP57s are staying in the bag.:fore:

 

[Region3]

Apologies for resurrecting this thread but as it caused a bit of a stir I thought I'd update on progress.
Ok as stated in the OP the first round produced a PB of 92, played three rounds since, 2nd round 101 though to be fair it was blowing a hooley, 3rd round was 96 and todays stableford 95 for 40 points. (My best showing in compitition)
Before changing clubs I had only played to my H/C twice in almost 2 years, in three out of the last four games I've played under H/C. Long story short the Callies are sold and the MP57s are staying in the bag.:fore:

Glad to hear it worked out well. Do you get a cut or was it non qualifying?

 

[Wolfman]

Well done and glad the new clubs are working for you

As i posted earlier, my Wilson Staff Ci9 clubs are in design below my HCP, however i have been playing for 5 years and very slow progress mainly down to iron shots, poor driving, lousy chipping, poor putting so you can see i had alot to sort out. During the first 3 to 4 years i didnt appreciate the difference in irons etc
As i became wiser to the game and more technical i found after many lessons that my high hcp was caused more from poor short game i.e scoring etc and nothing to do with my tee shots, regular iron shots etc
So i was well aware the time i needed to focus on the short game and at the same time treat myself to new irons that were not shovels ( Ping G10 ) In the end went for the Ci9 and my iron play has in fact improved alot. Now i can work more on the short game.
So in my opinion is find out the part of the game that lets you down and reflects your hcp and have lessons and or work on the part letting you down.
It may just be your accuracy in ball striking is perfect for better irons and the results will reflect this

Good luck and ignore the negative and keep positive

 

[Piece]

Anyone who tells you you shouldn't be using those clubs because your handicap is too high is talking rubbish. Golf is pretty much about confidence, thus if you feel confident and happy with them then thats what you should use. SGI can look very chunky and cumbersome to some eyes, therefore must you use them? No.

 

[Mick47]

Glad to hear it worked out well. Do you get a cut or was it non qualifying?

Winter tees, so non qualifying. Eagerly awaiting results though, might get a top three place in div 3 if the cold weather put the bandits off

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Winter tees, so non qualifying. Eagerly awaiting results though, might get a top three place in div 3 if the cold weather put the bandits off

Great play. Keep working on the game and trust yourself. There's clearly a golfer trying to break out and I'm sure once the better weather comes you'll handicap will tumble