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Losing 5 holes

Player at fault.
Playing partners at fault.
Competition organisers/club at fault.
Players coach at fault.

In that order. All should have done something before they got so far behind - apart from coach who has obviously taught bad habits or not nipped them in the bud before.
 
RichA said:
Not 18 yet therefore she is a child, not an adult.
Advice needs to be given, but not in the same way you'd give it to a middle-aged golfer.
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A 17 year old girl is still old enough to be spoken to with respect and told by an adult that she is playing to slowly and needs to speed up. Or are you suggesting someone that’s legally old enough to drive a car isn’t grown up enough to be spoken to politely and appropriately about their pace of play.

As long as it’s done in the way I previously mentioned I don’t see the issue!
 
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We had a referee in to talk to the County Ladies squad, who are mostly youngsters, as the ref had noticed that some of the players’ pre *** routines were more than 40 seconds. They were advised that they needed to really get them to 20 seconds or less, as if they were ever playing in a major comp and they were put on the clock (either because they or their playing partners were slow) then they would have to suddenly change their routine and this could have a detrimental effect on their performance. A lesson that was taken on board as slow play is normally selfish but this taught them that they were potentially hurting themselves.
 
Lucifer MorningStar said:
A 17 year old girl is still old enough to be spoken to with respect and told by an adult that she is playing to slowly and needs to speed up. Or are you suggesting someone that’s legally old enough to drive a car isn’t grown up enough to be spoken to politely and appropriately about their pace of play.

As long as it’s done in the way I previously mentioned I don’t see the issue!
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Did I suggest that?
I don't think I did.
I pointed out that at 17 she is a child.
I previously agreed that it needed to be sorted, but sensitively.
England Golf and affiliated clubs have safeguarding policies to make sure that we don't treat children the same way that we'd treat an older person. Some of the suggested methods of dealing with slow golfers are not appropriate for educating a talented child at the start of their golfing career.
 
RichA said:
Did I suggest that?
I don't think I did.
I pointed out that at 17 she is a child.
I previously agreed that it needed to be sorted, but sensitively.
England Golf and affiliated clubs have safeguarding policies to make sure that we don't treat children the same way that we'd treat an older person. Some of the suggested methods of dealing with slow golfers are not appropriate for educating a talented child at the start of their golfing career.
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Not saying you did it’s just how it came across when I and maybe others read it.
 
RichA said:
You asked, "And what if she has had the advice, maybe she has been advised on multiple occasions."
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I'll answer my own question. She is a kid and a girl, I wouldn't play on and leave her behind, even though I have done that only recently.

I definitely would advise her of the situation, I definitely would not give any kind of abuse.

I definitely would not be 5 holes behind the next group, I would have left the course long before that. I would have warned her in advance after reminding her of the situation. But, if they did not speed up, I would carry out my threat to walk off. I have used that threat before, I have not as yet had to carry it out.
 
D-S said:
We had a referee in to talk to the County Ladies squad, who are mostly youngsters, as the ref had noticed that some of the players’ pre *** routines were more than 40 seconds. They were advised that they needed to really get them to 20 seconds or less, as if they were ever playing in a major comp and they were put on the clock (either because they or their playing partners were slow) then they would have to suddenly change their routine and this could have a detrimental effect on their performance. A lesson that was taken on board as slow play is normally selfish but this taught them that they were potentially hurting themselves.
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How on earth had the ref noticed that ;)
 
Golfnut1957 said:
I'll answer my own question. She is a kid and a girl, I wouldn't play on and leave her behind, even though I have done that only recently.

I definitely would advise her of the situation, I definitely would not give any kind of abuse.

I definitely would not be 5 holes behind the next group, I would have left the course long before that. I would have warned her in advance after reminding her of the situation. But, if they did not speed up, I would carry out my threat to walk off. I have used that threat before, I have not as yet had to carry it out.
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This should not be gender or age specific
 
Just been through this thread, and I initially thought it would be a girl.
I referee a lot of junior events, and its mostly the young ladies that take the longest. I know that is a bit of a sweeping generalisation, but its what I observe.
Speaking to some of their coaches, they actually encourage full pre-shot routine for every shot, which includes slope reading for even the shortest of putts. I believe this is where the fault ultimately lies.
I agree with the posters up-thread when they say a couple of warnings then leave her to fend for herself.
Players should also not be scared to impose 5.6a after a warning or two.
 
Teach all the players about Rule 5.6a. A quick summary about how your group is doing wrt pace of play:
- if you come to a par 3 and there is nobody on that hole, you might be in trouble with pace
- if you come to a par 4 and there is nobody on that hole, you are very likely in trouble with pace
- if you come to a par 5 and there is nobody on that hole, you are in deep doo-doo

However, I can't imagine a group falling five holes behind and nobody (including the group) doing anything about it!
 
rulie said:
Teach all the players about Rule 5.6a. A quick summary about how your group is doing wrt pace of play:
- if you come to a par 3 and there is nobody on that hole, you might be in trouble with pace
- if you come to a par 4 and there is nobody on that hole, you are very likely in trouble with pace
- if you come to a par 5 and there is nobody on that hole, you are in deep doo-doo

However, I can't imagine a group falling five holes behind and nobody (including the group) doing anything about it!
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I like this, simple and clear. The only issue would lie is if you looked back as a middle group and were clear by the same margins. Good reference point though.
 
Unacceptable…culprit needs to be pulled up by.

In any club comp my club requires us to enter our round completion time on our card..for monitoring and investigation if required. Plus prior to playing the comp all members are sent an email reminding us that our pace of play responsibility is to keep up with the group in front and not simply ahead of the group following. We are also advised of how long the club expects a round to take according to the format.

My medal round on Saturday took us 13mins over the target 4hrs for 3 ball medal. Our pace of play was generally ok…we didn’t hold up the group behind, but did on one or two occasions drop a hole.

I could see where we lost time. One of our three had a bit of a mare…107 gross with two or three 8s and a 10. That just takes time. And our third was a 7 HC 15yr old junior who had a pretty deliberate PSR for all putts. He wasn’t slow, it just took a bit of time. As does my putt PSR. But in the main I think it was the 107 and some associated searching that caused our slip.

I’ll note that on the occasions we dropped a hole I pointed it out and encouraged us to try and catch them…even though we had dropped the group behind. We caught up with group in front by 14 and were waiting on 17 and 18.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Unacceptable…culprit needs to be pulled up by.

In any club comp my club requires us to enter our round completion time on our card..for monitoring and investigation if required. Plus prior to playing the comp all members are sent an email reminding us that our pace of play responsibility is to keep up with the group in front and not simply ahead of the group following. We are also advised of how long the club expects a round to take according to the format.

My medal round on Saturday took us 13mins over the target 4hrs for 3 ball medal. Our pace of play was generally ok…we didn’t hold up the group behind, but did on one or two occasions drop a hole.

I could see where we lost time. One of our three had a bit of a mare…107 gross with two or three 8s and a 10. That just takes time. And our third was a 7 HC 15yr old junior who had a pretty deliberate PSR for all putts. He wasn’t slow, it just took a bit of time. As does my putt PSR. But in the main I think it was the 107 and some associated searching that caused our slip.

I’ll note that on the occasions we dropped a hole I pointed it out and encouraged us to try and catch them…even though we had dropped the group behind. We caught up with group in front by 14 and were waiting on 17 and 18.
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Do you start your PSR whilst the others are putting? I accept that it is not always possible but would have thought it would be for a lot of the time. This would cut down on the time taken.
 
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