Liverpool - It's not looking too bad in the transfer market

[Deleted member 15344]

The big plan is to have a Barcelona type set up producing a never ending stream of home grown talent. Obviously it can't happen overnight so we need to buy in in the meantime. But hopefully in a few years we will be in a position to be able to sell a player for x million pounds safe in the knowledge there is a ready made replacement waiting in the wings. Its frustrating at the moment watching our kids getting cherry picked by the so called big clubs, but as long as we can buy in players for less than we sell who are capable of keeping us in the top half of the prem then the big picture looks very bright indeed.

They aren't so called big clubs - they are big clubs

And the talented players will always want to move on to clubs that will provide them the financial platform as well as playing at the highest level in club football.

Soton just like West Ham have been in the past have had a good bunch come through and those players will naturally move on

 

[freddielong]

Spent £140mil in the last 3 seasons - Wenger has spent money - lots of money.

Wengers opinion has you failing to win the league over the last 9 years since you last had a quality DM - are you that blind to Wenger that you can't see the obvious connection

With Veira in the middle you go unbeaten , get to CL final , win titles - without a Veira in the middle you go season after season without winning a title and finally scrape an FA Cup ?

If Wenger goes another 5 years without winning the league will you still take his opinion

You have a massive stadium , the most expensive seats in the country , multi billionaires in charge - and the height of your ambition is CL qualification ?!

Here is one for you if Liverpools best player wants to leave Liverpool to join Barca (a bit like how he wanted to leave and join Arsenal last season) and Liverpool want Barca to pay 75 mil for him, but poor Barca only have 40mil in the bank they cant can they. Well here is the clever bit they sell another player to Arsenal for 35mil (a player that didn't want to go to Liverpool either and wanted to play for Mr Wenger) this puts an extra 35mil in their bank so that they now have 75 mil to spend on Liverpools best player.

The question is have Barca actually spent 75mil?




for which the answer is depends on who your accountant is


Arsenal will win the league within 3 seasons now that they are able to spend freely again

 

[Deleted member 1740]

But neither is Rogers. Liverpool are spending serious money so should be looking to build on last season.
Big test for Rogers after loosing Suarez,who IMO made him look good last.

I'm not Rodgers biggest fan tbh but he deserves credit for how he's changed and improved the team. He's had 2 seasons and has done pretty well to be fair.

Last season was ironic and I very much you'll ever see a side go from 7th to within a whisker of winning the league without spending £100m's.

The expectations will be greater after last season for sure but without the world's best striker any side would struggle. There's not 1 player in world like Suarez so losing him will be a major blow but it's times like this the manager makes a difference in either a new player or change of formation.

If Liverpool spend £100m but get £80m + back then I won't expect another title challenge on a £20m net spend. Our squad isn't full of quality where £20m will make the difference. If we spend £120m net then yes my expectations would be higher.

Its all about net spend in football.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Here is one for you if Liverpools best player wants to leave Liverpool to join Barca (a bit like how he wanted to leave and join Arsenal last season) and Liverpool want Barca to pay 75 mil for him, but poor Barca only have 40mil in the bank they cant can they. Well here is the clever bit they sell another player to Arsenal for 35mil (a player that didn't want to go to Liverpool either and wanted to play for Mr Wenger) this puts an extra 35mil in their bank so that they now have 75 mil to spend on Liverpools best player.

The question is have Barca actually spent 75mil?




for which the answer is depends on who your accountant is


Arsenal will win the league within 3 seasons now that they are able to spend freely again

Again that avoids the point you keep on avoiding

Which ever way you want to manipulate the figures - Arsenal spent 143 mil in three season

Believe Arsenals net spend was greater than Liverpool's last season - yet finished below - your hands were that tied you were only able to spend £42mil on one player

Arsenal won the league a few times with Veira in the middle - since Veira left they haven't ( a decade ago now )

So why hasn't Wenger bought a Veira replacement when it's clear it's a problem with his team.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

You have a massive stadium , the most expensive seats in the country , multi billionaires in charge - and the height of your ambition is CL qualification ?!

The thing is, they've made the move from Highbury to the Emirates and worked within a structured policy and the thing is, if CL is their ambition they have achieved it with regularity. That has to be testament to a consistent performance. Look at how much Liverpool, Spurs and others have spent in the same period and the revolving door of managers they've had when they haven't delivered.

For what it's worth I think both Liverpool and Arsenal will make top 4 again next year but I really don't think either will be in the title race in the last few weeks. It would be great to see a three or four horse race. I think United will be more of a force this year too and it makes it an interesting season ahead. Shame Fulham will be watching it from the Championship

 

[Pin-seeker]

I'm not Rodgers biggest fan tbh but he deserves credit for how he's changed and improved the team. He's had 2 seasons and has done pretty well to be fair.

Last season was ironic and I very much you'll ever see a side go from 7th to within a whisker of winning the league without spending £100m's.

The expectations will be greater after last season for sure but without the world's best striker any side would struggle. There's not 1 player in world like Suarez so losing him will be a major blow but it's times like this the manager makes a difference in either a new player or change of formation.

If Liverpool spend £100m but get £80m + back then I won't expect another title challenge on a £20m net spend. Our squad isn't full of quality where £20m will make the difference. If we spend £120m net then yes my expectations would be higher.

Its all about net spend in football.

Chelsea have sold over £100m worth of players but Jose will still be under pressure to produce,it's what happens at big clubs.
We're Liverpool really a one man team last season?
None of the other top teams rely on one player.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

The thing is, they've made the move from Highbury to the Emirates and worked within a structured policy and the thing is, if CL is their ambition they have achieved it with regularity. That has to be testament to a consistent performance. Look at how much Liverpool, Spurs and others have spent in the same period and the revolving door of managers they've had when they haven't delivered.

For what it's worth I think both Liverpool and Arsenal will make top 4 again next year but I really don't think either will be in the title race in the last few weeks. It would be great to see a three or four horse race. I think United will be more of a force this year too and it makes it an interesting season ahead. Shame Fulham will be watching it from the Championship

Liverpool had major issues at boadroom level between 08-10 so its very hard to compare with Arsenal.
Rafa was sacked and Hodgson was employed so the banks could sell the club.

Dalglish delivered a trophy in 18months in charge a bit more than Wenger did.

The club is a lot healthier now financially and hopefully we'll start to see success on the pitch on a regular basis.

 

[freddielong]

Again that avoids the point you keep on avoiding

Which ever way you want to manipulate the figures - Arsenal spent 143 mil in three season

Arsenal won the league a few times with Veira in the middle - since Veira left they haven't ( a decade ago now )

So why hasn't Wenger bought a Veira replacement when it's clear it's a problem with his team.

Again they have not spent 143 mil and again it is your opinion that they need such a player and they know they have only an outside chance of the league whilst they were paying for the stadium but that is changing

I cannot make this any simpler for you, if you cannot understand it I cannot help you further

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Again they have not spent 143 mil and again it is your opinion that they need such a player and they know they have only an outside chance of the league whilst they were paying for the stadium but that is changing

I cannot make this any simpler for you, if you cannot understand it I cannot help you further

Arsenal have spent £143 mil in the last three years - regardless of where that money has come from that's how much they have paid clubs to buy players.

Every year it's the same from Arsenal - and again Arsenal are looking to buy the same sort of player again - small technically skillful and will leave the same frailties that Arsenal have had since Veira left the club.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Chelsea have sold over £100m worth of players but Jose will still be under pressure to produce,it's what happens at big clubs.
We're Liverpool really a one man team last season?
None of the other top teams rely on one player.

Chelsea already had a squad full of top quality, Liverpool didn't that is the difference.

Possibly not but he made a massive difference to our play.

On your 3rd point the top teams have 6 or 7 top players in their sides and realistically Liverpool have 2 or 3, so until we spend £150m on top players in one summer we won't be on a level squad wise with Chelsea's,City's etc.

We fell behind between 09-11 when the club was a in a bad state.

Sold Mascherano,Alonso etc and ended up with Poulsen and Konchesky!!

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Arsenal have spent £143 mil in the last three years - regardless of where that money has come from that's how much they have paid clubs to buy players.

Every year it's the same from Arsenal - and again Arsenal are looking to buy the same sort of player again - small technically skillful and will leave the same frailties that Arsenal have had since Veira left the club.

Times change and maybe Wenger doesn't see the need for the Viera type player. He gets into the CL every year so can't be too bad and they get out of the group fairly often too so can hold a candle to most of their counterparts

 

[Papas1982]

They aren't so called big clubs - they are big clubs

And the talented players will always want to move on to clubs that will provide them the financial platform as well as playing at the highest level in club football.

Soton just like West Ham have been in the past have had a good bunch come through and those players will naturally move on

to be fair, we have plenty more coming through. We made the call to go for youth 15 years ago when massively improving our youth structure. Rupert Lowe is hated on the South Coast but it was his business plan that set this in motion. Train youngsters and sell at a profit.

Next season, chambers, taggart, prowse, clyne and Gallagher will be on people's radars. Yeah after that will be likes of Sinclair who got a bit of league cup game time. The trick is to try and utilise the funds we get to stabilise. I'm realistic enough that unless we get a billionaire in, the very very best we can hope for are being involved with Europa (Everton level) amd having a go at cups.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Times change and maybe Wenger doesn't see the need for the Viera type player. He gets into the CL every year so can't be too bad and they get out of the group fairly often too so can hold a candle to most of their counterparts

Wenger doesn't and look at their trophy count since Wenger decided that ? Look at the top teams and see they have a player in the middle who controls the middle and is physically dominating

Yes Wenger does qualify every year and that's it - if that's the limit of their ambition then Wenger is perfect for them.

I suspect a lot of Arsenal fans have higher ambitions

 

[Papas1982]

Times change and maybe Wenger doesn't see the need for the Viera type player. He gets into the CL every year so can't be too bad and they get out of the group fairly often too so can hold a candle to most of their counterparts

I agree with this, although I think they need a leader. Last season a lot of fans were saying that sugar daddies have ruined the game. I'd suggest the biggest reason they've not won a league are Chelsea and City coming along whilst arsenal were under financial constraint.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I agree with this, although I think they need a leader. Last season a lot of fans were saying that sugar daddies have ruined the game. I'd suggest the biggest reason they've not won a league are Chelsea and City coming along whilst arsenal were under financial constraint.

What about Man UTD - they have finished behind them every season bar one since 04/05.

 

[Papas1982]

What about Man UTD - they have finished behind them every season bar one since 04/05.

I would be surprised if UTD didn't have a bigger net spend than arsenal since the sugar daddies arrived. They've also had the premierships greatest ever manager at the helm. Last season alone showed how big an influence he had on the lesser players there.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I agree with this, although I think they need a leader. Last season a lot of fans were saying that sugar daddies have ruined the game. I'd suggest the biggest reason they've not won a league are Chelsea and City coming along whilst arsenal were under financial constraint.

Chelsea and City bought the title. Simple. Throw whatever money needs to spent

 

[freddielong]

Arsenals net spend for the last 3 seasons is just under 23mil go back 5 seasons and its more or less 0 that is remarkable

 

[sawtooth]

Arsenal have spent £143 mil in the last three years - regardless of where that money has come from that's how much they have paid clubs to buy players.

Every year it's the same from Arsenal - and again Arsenal are looking to buy the same sort of player again - small technically skillful and will leave the same frailties that Arsenal have had since Veira left the club.

On a small budget compared to the other Big 3, Arsenal have done as well as they could. In fact better than expected if you listen to the so-called experts on telly that have written Arsenal off so many times over the years. Credit to Wenger for being consistent through a period of so much change both inside and outside Arsenal. Its not easy to compete with the likes of City, Utd and Chelsea but I honestly think Wenger will get even closer this year. BTW 7 points is hardly a million miles away.

Lets see if Liverpool can qualify for the CL for the next 15 years, a bookie would probably give you 500/1 against.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Arsenals net spend for the last 3 seasons is just under 23mil go back 5 seasons and its more or less 0 that is remarkable

So the net spend is about the same as the trophy count

But it doesn't change the fact that millions have been spent on players over those years - where the money comes from makes no difference.

Arsenal have spent millions on players. Ozil alone was £42mil - only two other teams have spent more on one player.