Liverpool - It's not looking too bad in the transfer market

sawtooth said:
Phil you must be on a wind up. Liverpool qualify for the CL once or twice in a blue moon and you mock Wenger when he has qualified Arsenal 16 years in a row?
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freddielong said:
There is no point he just doesn't understand best let him rest
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Liverpoolphil said:
You don't have to reply Homer
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And you could concede that others may have a point that is correct even if it doesn't correspond to your own. Anyway we know that won't happen and I've more chance of single figures. Others have argued points too. Hey ho. I'm done here for a bit as we're go round in circles. Off to see the Brazil meltdown in the media
 
HomerJSimpson said:
And you could concede that others may have a point that is correct even if it doesn't correspond to your own. Anyway we know that won't happen and I've more chance of single figures. Others have argued points too. Hey ho. I'm done here for a bit as we're go round in circles. Off to see the Brazil meltdown in the media
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I haven't once said that others don't have a point that is correct ?

As I have said countless times - you don't have to reply or get involved Homer
 
When I have spoken to sensible Man U fans over the last few years, I’ve asked if the're being honest where they disappointed in how many CL’s Alex Ferguson won? Given how many times that they got through the group stages, the players they had, the money they had and generally that he never had to carry out massive overhauls to the team.

Some of them have agreed, even to a scouser.

Can Arsenal fans honestly not say the same. I cant remember them not getting through the group stages, they must have got to the QF’s at least 12 times, and not won it once.

Be honest, are you happy with that, or are you just happy tohave the money coming in?

Would you not even prefer if he had given it less credence,and concentrated on the league instead?

BTW isn’t it sad (but predictable) how much money comes intoconversations about football these last 10 years. Not so much tactics, players,managers but money, money, money. I’m as guilty, BTW.
 
Liverbirdie said:
When I have spoken to sensible Man U fans over the last few years, I’ve asked if the're being honest where they disappointed in how many CL’s Alex Ferguson won? Given how many times that they got through the group stages, the players they had, the money they had and generally that he never had to carry out massive overhauls to the team.

Some of them have agreed, even to a scouser.

Can Arsenal fans honestly not say the same. I cant remember them not getting through the group stages, they must have got to the QF’s at least 12 times, and not won it once.

Be honest, are you happy with that, or are you just happy tohave the money coming in?

Would you not even prefer if he had given it less credence,and concentrated on the league instead?

BTW isn’t it sad (but predictable) how much money comes intoconversations about football these last 10 years. Not so much tactics, players,managers but money, money, money. I’m as guilty, BTW.
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I'm honestly very happy with Wenger and what he has achieved in his tenure at the club. I look at the big picture, he has improved Arsenal FC immeasurably. Its not all about trophies when you consider the other great things he has accomplished. Of course I would not be happy if we had another 10 years like the last 10 but hand on heart I think Wenger will start winning trophies again. The new stadium is behind us, revenues are stronger than ever before and financial fair play (if implemented) will also help close the gap.

Wenger had to go after the CL as it guarantees at least £30M a year, important if you have a £350M+ mortgage!

The only small criticism of Wenger IMO is that he can be too shrewd for his own good. It seems that he spends Arsenals money like it was his own and it appeared to me that he wanted to clear the stadium debt off all by himself (through success on the pitch). Also I am sure that the board had made a lot more money available over the years but my guess is that he was probably too proud to accept it. If I'm right its still very admirable that he tread so carefully with the club's finances. The club is in very good hands whilst he is still there and long may it continue.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
So the net spend is about the same as the trophy count

But it doesn't change the fact that millions have been spent on players over those years - where the money comes from makes no difference.

Arsenal have spent millions on players. Ozil alone was £42mil - only two other teams have spent more on one player.
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Massive contradiction here. One minute it does matter where money comes from eg City/Chelsea ,& now you're saying it doesn't matter:confused:

So basically when Liverpool fail you can blame Chelsea & City's spending but when others fail it doesn't matter:o
 
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sawtooth said:
I'm honestly very happy with Wenger and what he has achieved in his tenure at the club. I look at the big picture, he has improved Arsenal FC immeasurably. Its not all about trophies when you consider the other great things he has accomplished. Of course I would not be happy if we had another 10 years like the last 10 but hand on heart I think Wenger will start winning trophies again. The new stadium is behind us, revenues are stronger than ever before and financial fair play (if implemented) will also help close the gap.h

Wenger had to go after the CL as it guarantees at least £30M a year, important if you have a £350M+ mortgage!

The only small criticism of Wenger IMO is that he can be too shrewd for his own good. It seems that he spends Arsenals money like it was his own and it appeared to me that he wanted to clear the stadium debt off all by himself (through success on the pitch). Also I am sure that the board had made a lot more money available over the years but my guess is that he was probably too proud to accept it. If I'm right its still very admirable that he tread so carefully with the club's finances. The club is in very good hands whilst he is still there and long may it continue.
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You have to remember Arsene has a master's in economics so he won't spend what the club can't afford but financially we have turned the corner and really excited about next few years. We have already spent 40 mil and there will be a couple more signings.
 
sawtooth said:
Me too, but the Sanchez deal is not done yet. Liverpool really want him as well.
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I think you will get him - he wants to live in London , if there was any danger it would be from Juve

The player I think you should get is Pogba
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I think you will get him - he wants to live in London , if there was any danger it would be from Juve

The player I think you should get is Pogba
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With the parlous state of football finance in Italy it is hard to see how Juventus are going to compete for £30-£40 million players.
 
MetalMickie said:
With the parlous state of football finance in Italy it is hard to see how Juventus are going to compete for £30-£40 million players.
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I think possibly by selling Pogba - talk of PSG after him for £40-50mil
 
sawtooth said:
Me too, but the Sanchez deal is not done yet. Liverpool really want him as well.
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I think it's as good as done,he seemed to discard Liverpool pretty quickly even tho Barca would have preferred it as part of the Suarez deal.
Sanchez looks like he could be a quality signing.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I think possibly by selling Pogba - talk of PSG after him for £40-50mil
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Blimey the world has truly gone barmy, £40-£50 million for a kid who has had one halfway decent season. Lot of money for potential.
 
MetalMickie said:
Blimey the world has truly gone barmy, £40-£50 million for a kid who has had one halfway decent season. Lot of money for potential.
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It is a lot of money - this is the same team that paid £50mil for Luiz !!
 
sawtooth said:
I'm honestly very happy with Wenger and what he has achieved in his tenure at the club. I look at the big picture, he has improved Arsenal FC immeasurably. Its not all about trophies when you consider the other great things he has accomplished. Of course I would not be happy if we had another 10 years like the last 10 but hand on heart I think Wenger will start winning trophies again. The new stadium is behind us, revenues are stronger than ever before and financial fair play (if implemented) will also help close the gap.

Wenger had to go after the CL as it guarantees at least £30M a year, important if you have a £350M+ mortgage!

The only small criticism of Wenger IMO is that he can be too shrewd for his own good. It seems that he spends Arsenals money like it was his own and it appeared to me that he wanted to clear the stadium debt off all by himself (through success on the pitch). Also I am sure that the board had made a lot more money available over the years but my guess is that he was probably too proud to accept it. If I'm right its still very admirable that he tread so carefully with the club's finances. The club is in very good hands whilst he is still there and long may it continue.
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Whilst Arsene’s/Arsenal’s financial prudence is to be admired, especially in this day and age, there are no trophies for paying off the ground early. That is what mortgages are for. Pay over a long period of time, whilst still enjoying the luxuries (in football=trophies).

Now you have come through the first 10 years and are ahead of schedule, it may now see Arsenal as a powerhouse in the league spending wise. Some fair points, and maybe the lean years will be over and you may see periods of extended success, who knows.

Maybe we should judge Arsenal/Arsene over these coming years, it will be interesting.

You still didn’t answer the direct question about his years in Europe of getting through countless groups then going out very quickly afterwards each time. Teams with lesser players, less money spent etc have still done better on occasions – surely Arsene should have 1-2 tucked under his belt with some of the players and teams he has had.

Even we got to two finals with the likes of Traore, Biscan,Pennant and others in tow.

Maybe in Europe, Arsene should have done the books and letDein pick the team….. J
 
Liverbirdie said:

You still didn’t answer the direct question about his years in Europe of getting through countless groups then going out very quickly afterwards each time. Teams with lesser players, less money spent etc have still done better on occasions – surely Arsene should have 1-2 tucked under his belt with some of the players and teams he has had.
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Of course I would have liked Arsenal to have won a CL or get closer than what they did but we weren't good enough. BTW there are no mugs in the CL , all of the teams can be dangerous. And even if there are such a thing as "whipping boys" in the CL I cant remember Arsenal getting knocked out by them many times. Bayern, Barca a few times yes but not by so called weak teams that often.

Like I said before, I was satisfied that we got there year on year whilst other things were going on at the club. So overall yes I was (and I still am) satisfied with the state of play.
 
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