Life in 2014

[Doon frae Troon]

It also works in different ways.

I bought two cans of paint on a Buy one get one half price deal.
I thought I probably only needed one and asked the assistant what happened if I bought one can back, will I still get a refund?
She said that if I kept the receipt I would get the same as half of the combined price of the two cans.

If you don't keep the receipt I assume I would be able to exchange for goods equivilent to the value of one can at full price.

These big companies keep coming up with hare brained marketing ideas that their computer systems and staff can't deal with.
Drives me mad at times Asda/Tesco etc are quick to try and steal my money by offering goods marketed and displayed at the wrong price.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

My 'good self' said that I should own up but then my 'bad self' thought if their system is so screwed they deserve it.

By that logic, conning rich people is fine, because they "deserve it", if they don't look into the con enough? Or, to push it to an extreme, stealing something from someones house is fine, if they leave the door open and no burglar alarm?

 

[DaveM]

The morals of some people are reprehensible. Remember one little scrot who was always nicking cars. Saying they can afford it there insured etc. Until someone nicked his older brothers car. Soon changed his tune then.

 

[SocketRocket]

'Scams' are perceived as victimless so therefore making it OK...


Same as benefit 'fraud' there is not a 'victim' as such so what's the problem?

I can only guess without a suitable smiley you say that with tongue in cheek?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I have often wondered on what scale the public view benefit fraud from fiddling your taxes and expenses.

 

[MegaSteve]

I can only guess without a suitable smiley you say that with tongue in cheek?

I do...

We don't help ourselves either.... Guessing many of us will know of folk on the fiddle but it seems it's one of those unwritten rules that you don't dob them in to the authorities....

 

[dufferman]

I have often wondered on what scale the public view benefit fraud from fiddling your taxes and expenses.

Having MP's and celebs like Gary Barlow avoid tax and get ££££'s from expenses etc makes it very tough for someone to feel bad about claiming £50's worth of shoes from ASOS never arrived.

I'm not justifying at all, but it does rather set the attitude / mindset of 'grab what you can' - especially when very high profile cases are highlighted, then worst of all, have no real punishment. Sure, the odd MP had to pay back some of the money, but no-one went to jail for a significant amount of time for their wrong-doing. Some may have lost their job, but these people are hardly sitting at home now with no way of making money. And as for the celebs, they can deny any knowledge and get away with it.

Whether it's wrong or right, it makes 'Joe Public' feel like they should take / get / 'steal' what they can!

 

[Sweep]

I often hear stories of online deliveries not being signed for therefor people get the item for free by complaining they never received it. A girl I worked with years ago would sometimes go to asos.com, order £100 worth of clothes, then a week later ask where the clothes were. Then, rather than get another lot sent, ask for a refund. Playing the system or stealing?

The girl you worked with was a thief.
I think what makes a big difference here is premeditation. If you take something back and they give you a credit for more than you paid, then yes you should tell them, but most would probably see it as a small stroke of luck. Plus it's a store credit, not cash.
What the girl you worked with was doing was much different. It was premeditated and she was effectively stealing cash. If those kind of people were as inventive at earning a decent, honest living as they are at stealing, I think they would do very well for themselves.

 

[Sweep]

Sorry, just worked it out again and realised she was not stealing cash ( she had already paid) but was in fact stealing clothes.
Still premeditated and still a thief.
Clearly too complicated for me and clearly demonstrates I would not make a good thief.

 

[woody69]

Having MP's and celebs like Gary Barlow avoid tax and get ££££'s from expenses etc makes it very tough for someone to feel bad about claiming £50's worth of shoes from ASOS never arrived.

I'm not justifying at all, but it does rather set the attitude / mindset of 'grab what you can' - especially when very high profile cases are highlighted, then worst of all, have no real punishment. Sure, the odd MP had to pay back some of the money, but no-one went to jail for a significant amount of time for their wrong-doing. Some may have lost their job, but these people are hardly sitting at home now with no way of making money. And as for the celebs, they can deny any knowledge and get away with it.

Whether it's wrong or right, it makes 'Joe Public' feel like they should take / get / 'steal' what they can!

Why should people go to jail for finding legitimate (albeit morally questionable methods) of avoiding ways to pay tax? Please don't tell me if you were earning millions and millions of pounds and your accountant said, I can save you a couple of million in tax by using this legal process to avoid it, you would say, "no I want to pay an extra couple of million, because the million I already pay isn't enough". It just wouldn't happen.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

..and we complain about the state of the country and that no-body seems to care, when so many of us are on the fiddle or take advantage of mistakes...

If I am over changed or undercharged I will always point this out. If I am willing to pay the price in the first instance I should pay the price. If I get too much change then I give it back. I used to hate having to 'make up the till' at the end of then night if it was short because none of us working in the pub would deliberately give too much change and it could take a fair lump out of my days/evening earnings.

And trying to justify theft because someone else does it - legally or otherwise - doesn't cut it for me. Look to yourself for justification if you must - not others

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'm trying trying to get the jist of this thread but it appears it's about getting stuff for nothing or a little bit of a fiddle etc ?

I guess it does show the state of the country and maybe wider when I hear of stories about people getting stuff of the back of people's mistakes - did people in the past correct and not walk away ? Did people check the change and if given too much give the extra back ?

I remember listening to some people during those Tottenham riots - when asked why he was stealing Telly's etc - response was along the lines of - why should others have stuff like this and not me - the answer is clear - they got of their backsides and earned the right to be able to afford stuff - far too many people in the country believe they should get stuff without working for it.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I think the point I was [badly] trying to make was that we are becoming totally reliant on computers/systems and when things go wrong staff do not seem to have the ability, knowledge or gumption to fix things.

The fact that the furniture store were prepared to write off £169.00 due to the inability of one of their staff to make a repair a 10 year old could have managed.

My wife ordered a can of expensive paint on the web, they sent the wrong one.
They said sorry and sent another one off straight away.
How do I return the wrong one she asked.
Oh just keep it they replied.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I think the point I was [badly] trying to make was that we are becoming totally reliant on computers/systems and when things go wrong staff do not seem to have the ability, knowledge or gumption to fix things.

The fact that the furniture store were prepared to write off £169.00 due to the inability of one of their staff to make a repair a 10 year old could have managed.

My wife ordered a can of expensive paint on the web, they sent the wrong one.
They said sorry and sent another one off straight away.
How do I return the wrong one she asked.
Oh just keep it they replied.

Why didn't you point out the repair they could have made ?

And the last paragraph is a totally different scenario

 

[SocketRocket]

I'm trying trying to get the jist of this thread but it appears it's about getting stuff for nothing or a little bit of a fiddle etc ?

I guess it does show the state of the country and maybe wider when I hear of stories about people getting stuff of the back of people's mistakes - did people in the past correct and not walk away ? Did people check the change and if given too much give the extra back ?

I remember listening to some people during those Tottenham riots - when asked why he was stealing Telly's etc - response was along the lines of - why should others have stuff like this and not me - the answer is clear - they got of their backsides and earned the right to be able to afford stuff - far too many people in the country believe they should get stuff without working for it.

Heres a first. I totally agree with you :thup:

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Why didn't you point out the repair they could have made ?

Because they had a blinking great sign saying..... shop soiled......... reduced to clear £100.
I had to take a punt that I could carry out the repair myself with a back stop that the worst that could happen was I would have to purchase two new hinges.
When I got it home I found out that it was a very simple job to do.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I'm trying trying to get the jist of this thread but it appears it's about getting stuff for nothing or a little bit of a fiddle etc ?

I guess it does show the state of the country and maybe wider when I hear of stories about people getting stuff of the back of people's mistakes - did people in the past correct and not walk away ? Did people check the change and if given too much give the extra back ?

I remember listening to some people during those Tottenham riots - when asked why he was stealing Telly's etc - response was along the lines of - why should others have stuff like this and not me - the answer is clear - they got of their backsides and earned the right to be able to afford stuff - far too many people in the country believe they should get stuff without working for it.

Heres a first. I totally agree with you :thup:

Even more scarily....... so do I

 

[DaveM]

Wow you 3 agreeing on something. I need to sit down in a darkened room. Lmao.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Heres a first. I totally agree with you :thup:

Me too...

Just down to honesty and decency. If you think yourself a basically decent and honest person, then taking what is not due to you without question, however that comes about, will linger in the back of your mind - and though they may be little things they accumulate and it's not good to have guilt stuck in your head over such little things.

 

[dufferman]

Sorry, just worked it out again and realised she was not stealing cash ( she had already paid) but was in fact stealing clothes.
Still premeditated and still a thief.
Clearly too complicated for me and clearly demonstrates I would not make a good thief.

Yes - if she was stealing cash she'd be some sort of genius! To be fair to her, she was working in a decent job (recruitment) and wasn't a scum-bag or a scrounger, she was / is a really nice woman!