Let's argue about.....

I'm quite comfortable with it if it helps people enjoy the game -what I can't fathom are these adjustable drivers.

I want to spend my money and get a driver that I can use - not have to spend months on the range figuring out which configuration is best for me. Does anyone who buys one of these drivers honestly change the setup on a regular basis?
 
No-one. It means you've given up trying to improve.
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Disagree,

There are many golfing aids on the market to help golfers improve. You could also say the same for GPS devices - don't they take the skill out of the game somewhat?

Completely agree with Robobums post - anything that makes the game easier and more enjoyable is the way to go IMO. :)

Golfmmad.
 
Im just wondering how many of the people that say that you shouldnt use one of these drivers are using super game improving irons or Game Improvment irons which in actual fact have offset heads helping square the club at impact.

Is a draw biased driver not having the same outcome?

 
OK James.

Guilty as charged :o

And, as you know, I can still fade it, slice it, draw it or hook it at will (that's the club's will, not mine).

The way this thread is going about modern equipment helping peeps games, it won't be long before someone wants to go back to hickory shafts, Dunlop 65's or whatever. Ah, those were the days when men were men ..............
 
No-one. It means you've given up trying to improve.
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I understand the sentiment here but what if you've been playing the game for 40 years and suffered with a horrendous slice for the last 39. Along comes a club that at least straightens the slice a bit and helps you enjoy the game again. We will all reach a pinnacle (or molitor!) in our golf game where we just will not get any better. For many, that will be a 28 handicap. If a draw bias driver helps them than I've got no problem with that.
 
I've no problem with anyone using one if it suits them.

I bought one to try (although I didn't realise it was draw bias when I bought it off ebay) but just can't get used to how it looks at address compared to what I'm used to.

Will soon be in the for sale section methinks.
 
OK James.

Guilty as charged :o

And, as you know, I can still fade it, slice it, draw it or hook it at will (that's the club's will, not mine).
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Yes, our time on the range prompted this question.

Draw biased drivers will straighten out a slice to a more controlable 'big fade', that is for people who throw the club over the top.

In your swing, provided you continue to have your weight moving correctly through the shot you won't hit a fade as you swing the club from the inside, giving it draw spin.

In 60 shots you didn't fade or slice one ball. You blocked 2 a little but that was only 'cos I was making you hit it out there, and that occurs when you get a little stuck on that back foot... as it was frikkin' freezing I'll let you off those two :)

I'm just wondering how many other people out there use a draw biased club when they already have a swingpath that comes from the inside.

It does make me wonder if the market for them has been created because golf pros have simply been unable to solve slicers problems for them... eg: make them understand what causes them and how to fix it. I'm sure the club manufacturers aren't complaining though :D
 
No-one. It means you've given up trying to improve.
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Not sure I totally agree with this. If this were the case then why don't we all use blades? Why do we all (well most of us) replace our long irons with hybrids? Technology exists to assist us, if a draw bias driver works for you and it's not against the rules then if you want to use one, fill your boots as far as I'm concerned.
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Have to agree with this. Not everyone has the time or wants to put the effort into improving. They are happy to use technology instead.
 
Also, didn't Phil Mickleson has carry 2 drivers in the same round, one setup for a draw and one setup for a fade. Is anyone gonna tell him he's given up trying to improve?
 
Anyone who wants one.

If people should stop buying them then they should also stop buying cavity back irons, heal-toe weighted putters, powercaddies, gloves, etc etc etc

All of the above are intended to make the game less difficult. If you chastise someone for using one of them you should do for all of them.

It's like telling someone, who asks on this forum which game improvement irons they should get, that they should buy some Mizuno blades because buying cavity backs means they've given up trying.
 
Also, didn't Phil Mickleson has carry 2 drivers in the same round, one setup for a draw and one setup for a fade. Is anyone gonna tell him he's given up trying to improve?
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Amen brother!! :D
 
had one, don't use it now

(from the standpoint of total ignorance) it could make sense if you have a big offset on your irons but maybe not so if you don't. would it promote a different swing, would you be trying to compensate?

my irons have no (or very little) offset, now my driver is the same - will it help, only time will tell.
 
To me, like offset irons they promote a swing flaw and I dont see the point in that, just learn not to do it.
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Maybe people have lives outside of golf and want to enjoy the game?

When will people stop chasing the "perfect" swing on this forum. I have a very strong grip and a flat swing plane, does it worry me? Does it hell, I strike the ball well and enjoy my golf no matter what swing turns up on the day.
 
"In your opinion who should be using one? and why?"

1) People with a slice "power fade"

2) Because they can’t be arsed to sort it out and learn how no not cut across the ball.

Have no issue or problem with them but I just don’t see the point. If you want to hit a draw drop your hands on the inside and rip through the ball (wish I could do this!).
P.S I am rather drunk and tired so please do not take offence. Have not posted for a while other than my sort my swing out thread.
 
I'm just wondering how many other people out there use a draw biased club when they already have a swingpath that comes from the inside.
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Hmm. When I was a push/draw player, I'd have liked to try a draw bias driver. It may be that I'd have become a draw/hook player....don't know for sure.

I used my ft-3 draw today and played really solid. I spent an hour on the range yesterday trying to hit push/draw/hook shots only. Just ball after ball getting in the slot and where a pull is impossible. By the end I was slinging the ball miles r-l. I was depressed because it was quite wild t.b.h. but I needn't have worried as for the first 12 holes today not one ball started left. :) Phew. I used my driver on 10 holes and the most common shot was actually a push...in other words, the idea of draw bias is not a magic stick to promote a draw, more a club design to calm a slice.

:D :D

I feel I can draw it easier with higher lofted driver.

The jury is out in all honesty. Best drive today was under 250, whereas on Monday I sneaked in a 275 with a Spine, but that sits closed as well!!!

Anyway, 77 today with 6 birdie Ops. :)
 
Yeh, I understand that. If you are prone to blocking right (straight push) then having a draw-bias club will get the push-draw (or draw, or HOOK) action for you. I have tried it but felt like it made me hold the club off as I 'knew' I might hook the life out of it if I closed it down a smidge.

I think personally I'd rather go with a neutral or even open club where I can trust getting right through the ball... or indeed HAVING TO get right through the ball.

77 eh? Good shooting Tex!
 
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