Learn to play golf

[Dan2501]

I think a lot of people have completely missed the point here. He isn't saying don't practice, or never learn the basics. He's saying instead of committing yourself to learning positions and learning the "perfect" swing, learn how to score. I totally agree. I think a lot of amateur golfers can get bogged down in aesthetics and trying to swing like Adam Scott, but would be much more effective golfers if they made what physical attributes they have work for them and learn to score, learn how to conquer the conditions, manage their way around the course and chip and putt better than everyone else instead of constantly striving to learn position-by-position the perfect swing.

 

[Harrycarry]

Alex1975 could you translate your post into discernsble English.
Question: Do you know the meaning of the word " awesome " ?

 

[Harrycarry]

Lack of practice most likely. Or simple lack of ability. Or both.

 

[3565]

I think a lot of people have completely missed the point here. He isn't saying don't practice, or never learn the basics. He's saying instead of committing yourself to learning positions and learning the "perfect" swing, learn how to score. I totally agree. I think a lot of amateur golfers can get bogged down in aesthetics and trying to swing like Adam Scott, but would be much more effective golfers if they made what physical attributes they have work for them and learn to score, learn how to conquer the conditions, manage their way around the course and chip and putt better than everyone else instead of constantly striving to learn position-by-position the perfect swing.

you mean learn separation values!

 

[garyinderry]

Lowry is very much a feel player. He doesn't have specific yardage for his wedges. plays them through what he sees and feel.


In a roundabout way all he is saying is there is more to golf than just hitting the ball.

As with the other thread. Going out repeating the same mistakes over and over on the course will get you nowhere, as will standing on a range not putting the work into real practice.


Top player who didn't really do much warm up or range time. Monty. says it all.

 

[Deleted member 15717]

I think a lot of people have completely missed the point here. He isn't saying don't practice, or never learn the basics. He's saying instead of committing yourself to learning positions and learning the "perfect" swing, learn how to score. I totally agree. I think a lot of amateur golfers can get bogged down in aesthetics and trying to swing like Adam Scott, but would be much more effective golfers if they made what physical attributes they have work for them and learn to score, learn how to conquer the conditions, manage their way around the course and chip and putt better than everyone else instead of constantly striving to learn position-by-position the perfect swing.

Spot on...everyone is linking it to a completely different thread, just because of the OP, rather than concentrating on what is actualy being said. Sad really.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

The thing is, every top pro, top amateur and I would hazard to guess most plus and scratch handicap golfers have worked for hours at a time on the range perfecting their swin, under the guidance of a coach. That swing as Furyk, Trevino (for those old enough) and many others before and since isn't textbook and doesn't have to be as long as its repeatable.

I've never heard any pro being interviewed after a round say "off to play nine and find my swing" and all head to the range. It doesn't make a jot of difference how they swing it, they still work on it and practice it and don't just go and play.

The thing most of us struggle with and is perhaps what Lowry is trying to convey, is that we as handicap golfers always play our best golf with an empty head, free from any technical thoughts. It's a state of mind many of us rarely find, but is something I'm paying attention to over the winter.

If you are new to golf, I think you need a firm foundation in the basics via lessons but you do then need to go and play. That's obvious and golf is played on the course not the range and by doing so you will build a memory bank of playing different shots. That's all part of learning the game and you then draw on those each and every round after that. However once you reach a level of competency, you don't see many going out to play and trying to find their game or try something when they are playing where scoring becomes key. You can have practice rounds of course and do that but for most golfers they only get one round a weekend, usually for a quid or two, and don't want to use that chasing something in their game.

 

[Slab]

Does anyone actually know what the question was that prompted that as the reply?



(pretty key to knowing if I'd agree with him or not!)

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Spot on...everyone is linking it to a completely different thread, just because of the OP, rather than concentrating on what is actualy being said. Sad really.

Spot on as well as what Dan said

The thread has zero relevance to the practise thread so not sure why some keep going on about practise -

It's quite clear what Lowry was saying - plenty of people fascinate over trying to get a perfect swing using whatever method when people should use what they have and try and hone that and learn to use it on the golf course to get the best score you can

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Spot on as well as what Dan said

The thread has zero relevance to the practise thread so not sure why some keep going on about practise -

It's quite clear what Lowry was saying - plenty of people fascinate over trying to get a perfect swing using whatever method when people should use what they have and try and hone that and learn to use it on the golf course to get the best score you can

Sorry Phil but that's purely your opinion, and it still boils down to the fact that whether they have a textbook swing or something unique like Furyk or Bubba, these guys are still spending hours every week honing that on the practice ground. They have the time to learn it and don't need to learn how to play it on the course. For us, we perhaps get one, maybe two games a week (certainly for the majority in here, particularly over the winter) and the last thing most want to do is learn to use their swing on the course to the detriment of half decents scores, their enjoyment and perhaps even the chance to nick a quid or two off mates. The range is still the place to learn the swing. However you swing it, work on your game, turn up on the first tee and trust what you have. Don't try and learn it. It seldom works that way

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Sorry Phil but that's purely your opinion, and it still boils down to the fact that whether they have a textbook swing or something unique like Furyk or Bubba, these guys are still spending hours every week honing that on the practice ground. They have the time to learn it and don't need to learn how to play it on the course. For us, we perhaps get one, maybe two games a week (certainly for the majority in here, particularly over the winter) and the last thing most want to do is learn to use their swing on the course to the detriment of half decents scores, their enjoyment and perhaps even the chance to nick a quid or two off mates. The range is still the place to learn the swing. However you swing it, work on your game, turn up on the first tee and trust what you have. Don't try and learn it. It seldom works that way

The practice thread is elsewhere, this thread is about whether or not people should chase the perfect swing!

 

[3565]

So it's pure coincidence then 😂 You didn't say to yourself, ha that's just what I was saying the other day!!! 🙄😂😂😂😂

 

[Deleted member 1147]

As a golfer described, in the recent GM edition, as having perfect posture :thup:, I would rather attain the perfect swing (if it's even possible).
Certain aspect of the "homemade swing" can lead to problems which, if everything was "perfect", wouldn't go wrong. ie sometimes the individual swing styles can be more reliant on timing than technique, which can easily go missing.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

As a golfer described, in the recent GM edition, as having perfect posture :thup:, I would rather attain the perfect swing (if it's even possible).
Certain aspect of the "homemade swing" can lead to problems which, if everything was "perfect", wouldn't go wrong. ie sometimes the individual swing styles can be more reliant on timing than technique, which can easily go missing.

Think that's a very good point - mine is far from picture perfect and I know if i don't get my timing right then it's going to be a long day , there is more chance of the face being in the wrong position if the timing is off

 

[HomerJSimpson]

The practice thread is elsewhere, this thread is about whether or not people should chase the perfect swing!

I am aware but you are missing the point. They are chasing the perfect swing for them and as I've illustrated the likes of Bubba and Furyk will never be textbook but will still work for hours on their swing. In which case I'd argue they are definitely searching for their individual version of a "perfect swing" ready to turn up at a tournament and be competitive.

The handicap golfers on here, either those taking lessons, those that go to the range because they enjoy it and those that wouldn't know where their nearest range or practice field is, all play for the love of it and no-one on here I would argue, from the lowest handicappers upwards would have a completely textbook swing. None though would go to the course and learn to use what they have on the course. It's simply about turning up, playing the best you can with what you have and seeing how well you can do.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

I am aware but you are missing the point. They are chasing the perfect swing for them and as I've illustrated the likes of Bubba and Furyk will never be textbook but will still work for hours on their swing. In which case I'd argue they are definitely searching for their individual version of a "perfect swing" ready to turn up at a tournament and be competitive.

The handicap golfers on here, either those taking lessons, those that go to the range because they enjoy it and those that wouldn't know where their nearest range or practice field is, all play for the love of it and no-one on here I would argue, from the lowest handicappers upwards would have a completely textbook swing. None though would go to the course and learn to use what they have on the course. It's simply about turning up, playing the best you can with what you have and seeing how well you can do.

No I'm not.

The point of the thread is chasing the perfect swing, the textbook swing, the swing espoused by so many pro's at ranges, on TV, in magazines.

 

[Deleted member 15717]

I am aware but you are missing the point. They are chasing the perfect swing for them and as I've illustrated the likes of Bubba and Furyk will never be textbook but will still work for hours on their swing. In which case I'd argue they are definitely searching for their individual version of a "perfect swing" ready to turn up at a tournament and be competitive.

The handicap golfers on here, either those taking lessons, those that go to the range because they enjoy it and those that wouldn't know where their nearest range or practice field is, all play for the love of it and no-one on here I would argue, from the lowest handicappers upwards would have a completely textbook swing. None though would go to the course and learn to use what they have on the course. It's simply about turning up, playing the best you can with what you have and seeing how well you can do.

I think you are missing the point. What's the point in having the 'perfect swing' if you can't get it round a golf course?
That, to me, is what Lowry is saying. Just get on the course and learn how to get it in the hole in as few strokes as possible

 

[HomerJSimpson]

And my reply is simple. All of the pros are chasing the perfect swing for them whether that is classed as "textbook" or not. If the top pros are chasing this and working and the ranges up and down the country are packed with amateurs doing the same, I would say everyone is chasing the perfect swing for their game based on their abilities. I don't think (as I said) that anyone on here will have that perfect swing you are relating to, or will ever get it. They just want to go out and play and have fun. This is going around in a circle and my point is clear so not bothering any more. I'll leave you to have the last word (as seems your want)

 

[patricks148]

suppose the problem with "lean to play" is where you lean to play.

I know a couple of guys in there 60's now, both a great links players and are still off 2 or 3. both have flattish swings and hit the ball low. Both capable of knocking it around Royal Dornoch in low 70 gross scores. Damp parkland course with no run would struggle to break 80

 

[Deleted member 1147]

... I'll leave you to have the last word (as seems your want)

From the 54k poster to a 3k poster that's very magnanimous of you, thanks :thup: