Is Racism Getting worse in the UK

[SocketRocket]

Of it would make a difference to knife crime if Police numbers were doubled, all crime would be reduced!
Do you think knife crime is not connected to any other crimes or social behaviour?
Time after time after time it has been proved harsher and longer sentences do not solve the problem.
As for the education and lifestyle choice, you really need to take your head out of the sand or copy your post to the Daily Mail were you get lots of praise and nodding of heads!

you start making a reasoned reply and then revert to a silly insult. I get it if you disagree with me but the highlighted is unnecessary.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

you start making a reasoned reply and then revert to a silly insult. I get it if you disagree with me but the highlighted is unnecessary.

Probably because your post is insulting imo.
Find it hilarious you keep harping on about being insulted while calling people snowflakes on here in the past!

 

[Hobbit]

Of it would make a difference to knife crime if Police numbers were doubled, all crime would be reduced!
Do you think knife crime is not connected to any other crimes or social behaviour?
Time after time after time it has been proved harsher and longer sentences do not solve the problem.
As for the education and lifestyle choice, you really need to take your head out of the sand or copy your post to the Daily Mail were you get lots of praise and nodding of heads!

Ref the highlighted bit, I'd say you're wrong in certain aspects.

From the government's own website, not the Tories but the governments. Prison sentences serve 3 purposes, and in the order they appear on the website; 1) they protect the public from offenders, 2) they punish the offenders, 3) they rehabilitate the offenders.

Obviously, a criminal off the streets protects the public, and if they are off the streets for a longer period they protect the public longer. That satisfies point one of the government's aims. The punishing of the offender is satisfied to a degree by removing the offender's freedom. Point 3, rehabilitation is more on a individual by individual basis. Different strokes will work for different folks but a bit of anecdotal evidence from a leading criminal barrister based on reoffending rates - for a violent offender, a term of less than 5 years sees the offender leave prison just as angry as when they went in and more likely to reoffend.

I'd say the current move to reduce sentences, i.e. not give custodial sentences of less then 6 months, for all the outcry, might not be a bad idea for certain crimes. However, where the crime is a violent one I'd argue for tougher sentences.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Ref the highlighted bit, I'd say you're wrong in certain aspects.

From the government's own website, not the Tories but the governments. Prison sentences serve 3 purposes, and in the order they appear on the website; 1) they protect the public from offenders, 2) they punish the offenders, 3) they rehabilitate the offenders.

Obviously, a criminal off the streets protects the public, and if they are off the streets for a longer period they protect the public longer. That satisfies point one of the government's aims. The punishing of the offender is satisfied to a degree by removing the offender's freedom. Point 3, rehabilitation is more on a individual by individual basis. Different strokes will work for different folks but a bit of anecdotal evidence from a leading criminal barrister based on reoffending rates - for a violent offender, a term of less than 5 years sees the offender leave prison just as angry as when they went in and more likely to reoffend.

I'd say the current move to reduce sentences, i.e. not give custodial sentences of less then 6 months, for all the outcry, might not be a bad idea for certain crimes. However, where the crime is a violent one I'd argue for tougher sentences.

Like everything though Bri, some systems work for some and not for others, so simply increasing the sentences will not cure all, it has to be done in conjunction with the Prison Service being correctly funded so they man it properly, resource it properly etc, simple locking people up on its own doesn’t work.
As for tougher sentences, I’m all for the death penalty for certain types of murder (Pedos, terrorists).

 

[Hobbit]

Like everything though Bri, some systems work for some and not for others, so simply increasing the sentences will not cure all, it has to be done in conjunction with the Prison Service being correctly funded so they man it properly, resource it properly etc, simple locking people up on its own doesn’t work.
As for tougher sentences, I’m all for the death penalty for certain types of murder (Pedos, terrorists).

The funding of the service has nothing to do with is the sentence right for the crime. But you'd hope that that would be determined at sentencing time by the judge based on court report, previous and sentencing guidelines.

Giving someone a shorter sentence because there isn't room at the inn defeats the objective of protecting the public. And if its that short it doesn't feel like punishment it hasn't worked. And the more serious the crime, the more work on rehabilitation needs to be done, which equals more jail time.

I agree that the funding and resources have to be right to achieve the goals, no pun intended, but I do have concerns that the drive towards shorter sentences is more to do with a lack of resources rather than what is right for both the public and for the criminal. I also feel that the liberal left is losing sight of protecting the public for the sake of the only goal being rehabilitation. The aim has to be to satisfy the 3 points in the govt's own criteria, protect, punish and rehabilitate.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The funding of the service has nothing to do with is the sentence right for the crime. But you'd hope that that would be determined at sentencing time by the judge based on court report, previous and sentencing guidelines.

Giving someone a shorter sentence because there isn't room at the inn defeats the objective of protecting the public. And if its that short it doesn't feel like punishment it hasn't worked. And the more serious the crime, the more work on rehabilitation needs to be done, which equals more jail time.

I agree that the funding and resources have to be right to achieve the goals, no pun intended, but I do have concerns that the drive towards shorter sentences is more to do with a lack of resources rather than what is right for both the public and for the criminal. I also feel that the liberal left is losing sight of protecting the public for the sake of the only goal being rehabilitation. The aim has to be to satisfy the 3 points in the govt's own criteria, protect, punish and rehabilitate.

I haven’t said I’d like or support shorter sentences, what I was saying, but maybe not eloquently enough that simply locking them up and throwing away the key doesn’t work either.
Like you say it has to be a 3 pronged attack, but we also need to look at social priorities, funding for all criminal agencies to be correct and get the punishment to fit the crime, we see the Police doing everything they can and then here the horror stories about the CPS or Judiciary letting them and us down etc.

https://skwawkbox.org/2019/04/05/video-rare-truth-on-bbc-question-time-went-super-viral/

 

[SocketRocket]

Probably because your post is insulting imo.
Find it hilarious you keep harping on about being insulted while calling people snowflakes on here in the past!

Why cant you just keep the discussion to the subject in hand. If i start insulting you because i disagree with your view or something you posted in the past it would lead to a petty squabble.

 

[Hacker Khan]

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ll-parks-premier-league-special-investigation

 

[gmc40]

they’re not committed by Terry Jones or Brian Smith of........

Maybe not where you’re from but there are plenty of “Terry’s” and “Brian’s” (I assume you mean white males?) carrying out those types of crime elsewhere in the country.

I haven’t quoted the rest of your post because it’s not worthy of a response.