Is Racism Getting worse in the UK

[Fish]

I don’t think it’s worse, but it’s getting there, it’s just more accessible now to see and watch through the many tv channels and social media outlets we have.

It’s always been there to a degree, and I personally think it was openly and directly worse in the 70’s & 80’s in a more public domain, but then we had comedy aimed at it that softened it by laughing at it, but that’s been suppressed now by the tree-hugging over sensitive snowflake brigade.

People constantly go on about and point the finger at or label things far right and racist at the slightest objection to something that involves an immigrant or anyone not white, when in fact, imo, I think the left is worse and is growing in its numbers of incidents at march’s and protests and are constantly involved in deliberate and planned acts of violence, but they don’t get the press coverage and condemnation they deserve, it just doesn’t fit into the main news channels narrative, so that fuels the fires also!

Our main stream news is gagged, massively, the serious violence in our country (and others) has increased, we’re soft in our judicial system and so anyone coming to our country has no fear, most, not all, are from countries that they’ve seen or been party to heinous crimes, so we’re just lambs amongst packs of wolves who care and fear nothing, so much for integration, there’s areas in my city I wouldn’t drive through in the middle of the day never mind at night, car jacking, public robberies, rapes and mindless attacks are daily local news headlines, and they’re not committed by Terry Jones or Brian Smith of........

I don’t care how you take this, but there is, IMO, I direct link between the mass illegal migrants that have entered and general immigration this country has endured over the years and the increase in law & order offences, mostly on the more serious side, and when that is seen publicised and when it can be seen to being gagged by the news, is it no wonder that people will show their objection to said people, which in turn then gets classed as racist!

I think there is a feeling of inverted racism, where you’re almost felt to feel like a second class citizen in your own country, and the more that feeling is allowed to grow, the worse it will become.

 

[User20205]

Wow^^ not sure where to start😱
Just a couple of things, comedy didn’t soften racism, it legitimised it. I give you Bernard manning & jim Davidson.

I don’t know anyone called terry jones or Brian Smith, but I’m pretty sure their demographic is quite capable of committing those acts indicated. Just as much as any other demographic

 

[KenL]

@Fish . Do you have any data on an actual increase in serious crimes due to immigration or is this just your gut feeling?

 

[User20205]

@Fish . Do you have any data on an actual increase in serious crimes due to immigration or is this just your gut feeling?

There is no link. Data proves otherwise

 

[Fish]

There is no link. Data proves otherwise

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-46984559

I question your resource.

Violent crime rose by 19% on last year.

 

[KenL]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-46984559

I question your resource.

Violent crime rose by 19% on last year.

Violent crime may have risen but i dont see any direct link with immigration.

Perhaps the massive underfunding and too few officers is the reason?

 

[Fish]

Violent crime may have risen but i dont see any direct link with immigration.

Perhaps the massive underfunding and too few officers is the reason?

Thats rubbish, I was at Stamford Bridge for a European match last month, police everywhere, walking and driving down North End Road, but a young man still got stabbed in the afternoon and died with all that police presence around, it’s a lame excuse and easy finger pointing target, when the truth is, we live in a lawless society where our laws and judicial service presents no fear or deterrent.

 

[User20205]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-46984559

I question your resource.

Violent crime rose by 19% on last year.

Yes it did, but a one year increase doesn’t prove anything, it could be a statistical anomaly. The general trend is down. Also the above is not demographic specific.
I will paraphrase but statistically violent crime & crime against property (except car crime) is no different in areas that have been subject to large immigration events now vs the period pre immigration. This is true for Eastern European, south Asian and Afro Caribbean.
Specifically knife crime is not limited to one specific demographic contrary to what you may read in the paper.
The commonality between community and crime is economic not racial demographic.
Do I think some communities could integrate more, yes maybe, but that’s a separate conversation.

 

[User20205]

I don’t wanna be all googlephil but

https://www.ukdataservice.ac.uk/media/604220/ignatans.pdf
On a separate point, the trend for violent crime is decreasing, you are more far likely to be a victim of fraud, what aren’t we raging against bent accountants? ...but knife crime is on the increase. So you could argue the severity of the violence is worse.
Austerity would be a common theme if we are looking for one

 

[KenL]

Thats rubbish, .........., when the truth is, we live in a lawless society where our laws and judicial service presents no fear or deterrent.

The USA has a much more penal system than we do with much longer sentencing but it is clear that it is not a deterrent to crime there.

The knife crime in parts of the UK is a serious problem but this is a social thing and somebody needs to do more to work with the groups of mainly young people this is taking over.

 

[Oddsocks]

In my opinion it’s getting worse in completely the reverse nature to the traditional view.

 

[KenL]

In my opinion it’s getting worse in completely the reverse nature to the traditional view.

I don't understand what you mean.

 

[SocketRocket]

If the numbers of police were doubled it would make no difference to knife crime. A policeman could never be expected to be at the scene of a crime such that they could prevent it, these crimes are comitted by people that are prepared to carry knives and use them, the only way to deter is by suitable punishment and that's harsh punishment, sending them on tree hugging courses won't change anything.

Its also no good burying heads in the sand when looking at who is carrying out these knife crimes, we all know its mainly young people from ethnic backgrounds. I understand the argument that says the reason for this is the way these people do not have the same chances in life but I have to disagree with that, they have the same educational oppertunities as most other people who dont get involved in gangs and drug dealing, its a lifestyle choice and needs a no tolerance policy supported by politicians, police and communities together.

 

[SocketRocket]

The USA has a much more penal system than we do with much longer sentencing but it is clear that it is not a deterrent to crime there.

The knife crime in parts of the UK is a serious problem but this is a social thing and somebody needs to do more to work with the groups of mainly young people this is taking over.

What work needs doing and who should do it, what is the 'social thing'

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So on a thread about racism fingers are being pointed at immigration and also people from ethnic backgrounds , also blaming the left. Seems people want to shift the blame onto the people who are the subject of the increasing racism in this country - reads a bit like “we are racist against you because it’s your fault “

A good number finding the excuses

 

[User20205]

If the numbers of police were doubled it would make no difference to knife crime. A policeman could never be expected to be at the scene of a crime such that they could prevent it, these crimes are comitted by people that are prepared to carry knives and use them, the only way to deter is by suitable punishment and that's harsh punishment, sending them on tree hugging courses won't change anything.

Its also no good burying heads in the sand when looking at who is carrying out these knife crimes, we all know its mainly young people from ethnic backgrounds. I understand the argument that says the reason for this is the way these people do not have the same chances in life but I have to disagree with that, they have the same educational oppertunities as most other people who dont get involved in gangs and drug dealing, its a lifestyle choice and needs a no tolerance policy supported by politicians, police and communities together.

Don’t disagree with most of this, but it’s not connected to ethnic background. It’s connected to economic demographic. Don’t believe me google Akala for a well rounded description.
Compare knife crime in Glasgow in the mid 2000s to London now. The trend is similar.
There are certain common themes in both communities with this knife problem, race isn’t one of them.
Dissaffected young men from lower socio economic group have a higher propensity for crime & violence vs the general population irrespective of race. Not excusing it, but the explanation isn’t an easy label

 

[User20205]

Is racism getting worse, no I reckon it’s always been there, just been less acceptable over the last 20 years. Recent events, Muslim extremism, recent moral panic over knife crime has all let to a lowering of the social barriers to vocalising these views

 

[Imurg]

Plus it gets reported more often...and quicker.
And, sometimes, a "conflict" between 2 sides is immediately branded racist when it isn't.
A mate of mine lives in a row of houses all owned by the same bloke.
A family moved into one and, quite frankly, they were dirty,smelly, loud and generally anti-social. One of the kids even hopped over a fence into another garden and took a dump.
The other residents complained to the landlord and got them evicted.
A couple of days after they left, cars and front doors were spray painted with "Racists".
The fact that the family was from Rumania is inconsequential.
They were dirty, smelly, loud and anti-social.
Race had nothing to do with it.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

If the numbers of police were doubled it would make no difference to knife crime. A policeman could never be expected to be at the scene of a crime such that they could prevent it, these crimes are comitted by people that are prepared to carry knives and use them, the only way to deter is by suitable punishment and that's harsh punishment, sending them on tree hugging courses won't change anything.

Its also no good burying heads in the sand when looking at who is carrying out these knife crimes, we all know its mainly young people from ethnic backgrounds. I understand the argument that says the reason for this is the way these people do not have the same chances in life but I have to disagree with that, they have the same educational oppertunities as most other people who dont get involved in gangs and drug dealing, its a lifestyle choice and needs a no tolerance policy supported by politicians, police and communities together.

Of it would make a difference to knife crime if Police numbers were doubled, all crime would be reduced!
Do you think knife crime is not connected to any other crimes or social behaviour?
Time after time after time it has been proved harsher and longer sentences do not solve the problem.
As for the education and lifestyle choice, you really need to take your head out of the sand or copy your post to the Daily Mail were you get lots of praise and nodding of heads!

 

[KenL]

What work needs doing and who should do it, what is the 'social thing'

Joining a gang is a choice people make to fit in, for protection, or for fear of reprisals.

Huge progress has been made in Glasgow by community police officers really working hard to connect with youngsters.

The met have shown an interest in their work.