Is Racism Getting worse in the UK

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bluewolf said:
That the old adage about fooling all the people all the time is wrong?
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you are just showing the English arrogance towards Scotland that is part of the reason for the rise in the SNP.

how do you explain they went from 5 MP in 2001 to over 50 a few years later and overturning labours dominance to take power in Scotland?
 
As a bloke who stood on footy terraces in the 80s, I thought things had improved massively, maybe I was wrong, or maybe it has made a return. It does seem that many of those "at it" are the same folk, now in their 50s back to their old habits................... Social Media has given them a new outlet...

It needs stamping on, pronto. Tech has moved on suffiently to identify people, so start jailing them.

The scope of racism is a funny one.... I worked in Glasgow 20 years ago. Most people were the warmest, friendliest folk I've ever met. BUT, there were some places it wasnt safe to go with my Surrey-Accent. I've lived in Wales for 10 years. Ditto. Some of the crap I hear now would not be acceptable if the word "English" was replaced with the word "black."

That doesnt count apparently.

I've worked in several countries which are far worse than in the UK. I cannot believe some of the stuff I saw/heard in France, Germany and Switzerland.

So, idiots of all hues are at large. They need stopping.
 
patricks148 said:
you are just showing the English arrogance towards Scotland that is part of the reason for the rise in the SNP.

how do you explain they went from 5 MP in 2001 to over 50 a few years later and overturning labours dominance to take power in Scotland?
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I think that says as much about the Labour Party's change in direction since Blair!
 
Lord Tyrion said:
The wealth and prosperity of the south of England stands out against the north of England, the Midlands as well as Wales and Scotland. The south, or more accurately the SE of England is the engine room of the UK. It gets disproportionate amounts of money but it also creates a great deal. Scotland is not alone in feeling left out of wealth creation.

With regards to the SNP, they have been very smart and their narrow focus, Scotland and nowhere else, means they can target voters far more clearly. Labour and the Cons were too late in recognising the danger of the SNP, also late in devolving themselves from their London bases. They are also hamstrung in that they have to please people in all parts of the country and that means money being spent in Cardiff rather than Ayr, Norwich rather than Dundee (I'm making up these examples by the way) whereas the SNP only have to talk about spending choices within Scotland. The bogeyman is always going to be Westminster, it is an easy and lazy target but the SNP have hit it well and relentlessly. In effect they have played the political game very well.
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all true, its not so long ago that Scotland had no conservative MP and all but still ended up with a conservative Gov and laws passed down without any thought for the outcome.. like the Poll Tax.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Not like you to be so arrogant, can you raise three separate points where do you think that SNP voters have been made to look like fools.
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It was a lighthearted attempt at humour. I made the clear mistake of assuming that a smilie wasn't needed. I definitely forgot that there are things you just cannot joke about on here. 😇
 
Inevitably the problem with this thread and the question it poses is around just how many of us are qualified to answer.

I would imagine the forum's membership is likely to reflect golf's own demographic.

Just how many of us from different races, NOT nationalities?

We aren't going to appreciate the level or effect of racism in the country if we are merely observers.
 
MetalMickie said:
We aren't going to appreciate the level or effect of racism in the country if we are merely observers.
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Spot on... although observing it gives some awareness of it.

I was subjected to some pretty awful stuff at school based on religion. Teachers laughed and joined in (it was the late 70s!) Now I'm pretty sure that wouldnt happen.

But the undertones of stuff is still there. In my experience, it happens everywhere from most cultures to some extent.

In this country we may have become complacent, especially as we see some worse behaviour overseas.... therin lies the danger.
 
Bunkermagnet said:
And you don't think the SNP have also contributed?
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Abso-flippin-lutely!!

I've loved my times in East Lothian and Edinburgh, visiting many, many times and would happily visit again. Thoroughly enjoyed the vibrancy of Glasgow. But to quote my nephew, who's Glasgow born and bred, "you can take the Northeast of Scotland and stuff it." Truthfully, that's a bit harsh as we made some great friends up in Aberdeen, some of which are coming out here this year, but there are some real hard nosed racists up there.
 
patricks148 said:
you are just showing the English arrogance towards Scotland that is part of the reason for the rise in the SNP.

how do you explain they went from 5 MP in 2001 to over 50 a few years later and overturning labours dominance to take power in Scotland?
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Are you serious? All I see is small minded nationalists getting their knickers in a twist about how Scotland is ruled by England.

Scottish people do not know how lucky they are. Compared to England there is free bus travel anywhere in the country for wealthy 60 year olds, free prescriptions, free university education except if you are from England, Wales or NI. No problem if you are from Eire or anywhere else in the EU.

All of these benefits could not be afforded in an independent Scotland.

Only downside is higher taxes imposed by SNP that is not the case elsewhere. This is not just for the "rich" as you only need to earn about 28k to feel the hit imposed by the SNP.

Back to racism in the UK. I think things are not really any better than they used to be. Many of the older generation are still racist even if they don't know it. Football brings out unacceptable behaviour in some. As does other political events like Brexit and terrorism.
 
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Racism was always there, but it seems people are becoming more brazen about it. There's no doubt Brexit had an impact on that. All the close-minded racists saw winning the vote as justification that Britain hates foreigners and they can now say what they like. Reports of abuse against Polish people and the like went up. The Daily Mail and The Sun saw it as the perfect cloak to launch their right-wing agendas louder than ever as well. It's as if people have become more racist. They've just jumped on the right-wing Brexit bandwagon as a means to project it more.
 
Orikoru said:
Racism was always there, but it seems people are becoming more brazen about it. There's no doubt Brexit had an impact on that.
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Daft, although I conceed there must be some folk at the margins who saw that as a opening.... equally, the numbers of idiots who proclaim the UK being self governing is racist, or our flag is racist or Poppies are racist are doing a great job of distracting the focus from the terminally stupid who distcrimate based on colour, religion or country of origin.

I am working somewhere currently who have just launched a new management development programme. But to get on it you have to demonstrate which minority you are from. Nice bit of tokenism, and another box ticked. Will fix nothing.

The law to punish offenders exists, just needs properly enforcing and some consitency of approach.

Plenty of CCTV at footy grounds, stick a few gobbies in the nick for a few months, will soon put them off.
 
KenL said:
Are you serious? All I see is small minded nationalists getting their knickers in a twist about how Scotland is ruled by England.

Scottish people do not know how lucky they are. Compared to England there is free bus travel anywhere in the country for wealthy 60 year olds, free prescriptions, free university education except if you are from England, Wales or NI. No problem if you are from Eire or anywhere else in the EU.

All of these benefits could not be afforded in an independent Scotland.

Only downside is higher taxes imposed by SNP that is not the case elsewhere. This is not just for the "rich" as you only need to earn about 28k to feel the hit imposed by the SNP.

Back to racism in the UK. I think things are not really any better than they used to be. Many of the older generation are still racist even if they don't know it. Football brings out unacceptable behaviour in some. As does other political events like Brexit and terrorism.
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I think you have confused the £28k figure with the average wage in Scotland [surprisingly not much different to England]
The tax figure you were looking for where you then pay marginally more tax is £33k.
I shall let you work our the winners and losers.
That figure does not of course contain the benefits re education health and transport you mentioned ,To some taxpayers this can amount to a tidy sum.
We obviously could not afford to pay for free University education for the rUK students for the simple reason we would be swamped with applicants.
Same reason that English hospitals are not treating Welsh patients who live near to their border.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
I think you have confused the £28k figure with the average wage in Scotland [surprisingly not much different to England]
The tax figure you were looking for where you then pay marginally more tax is £33k.
I shall let you work our the winners and losers.
That figure does not of course contain the benefits re education health and transport you mentioned ,To some taxpayers this can amount to a tidy sum.
We obviously could not afford to pay for free University education for the rUK students for the simple reason we would be swamped with applicants.
Same reason that English hospitals are not treating Welsh patients who live near to their border.
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I believe it was only one English county stopping treatment in their hospitals which is Cheshire.

Weren't all other EU students outside of the RUK being offered free university places?
 
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