is it frowned upon

Not really. If it's a qualifyer and they don't hand the card in they get a 0.1 back just the same as if they put in a nett 100.
I've only not put a card in once and that was because I had a dose of the sh3nks halfway round and basically stopped playing. I think most that don't hand cards in do so to stop the ribbing they'd get for handing in a very poor score.
 
Wouldnt call it cheating as such,because providing the comp was at the home course they would still go up 0.1,regardless of what they did,(think more of a embarassment why players dont submit scores after bad rounds),I think if its at an away course the responsibility lies with the player to inform his home club of his score,failing this could have his handicap revoked,this could be classed as a form of cheating.
 
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Then they're doing it wrong - unless it's a social, non-qualifier. Then it doesn't matter as far as handicaps go.
If you play a qualifier and you don't hand your card in you MUST go up 0.1
 
Imurg said:
Not really. If it's a qualifyer and they don't hand the card in they get a 0.1 back just the same as if they put in a nett 100.
I've only not put a card in once and that was because I had a dose of the sh3nks halfway round and basically stopped playing. I think most that don't hand cards in do so to stop the ribbing they'd get for handing in a very poor score.
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How pathetic to decline to hand in a card due to a bad round - take responsibility for everything you do on the course. Glad to hear you only ever did it once.
 
Won't it have an effect on the CSS. Not an expert in handicapping so I could be wrong. I think it's should be frowned upon for bad sportsmanship if nothing else. If you are hacking and NR then fine at least you have shown to have NR'd. It could be something as simple of losing a ball on a second shot and not being to bothered to walk back (especially if its the last and you are already over the buffer by a mile) To not even bother putting it in smacks of petulance
 
As homer said tho if 4 or 5 people did this in a round wouldnt it affect the css therefore could have an affect other peoples handicaps , im asking co i dont realy understand the css thing, hardly a proper thing to be doing if this was the case therefore it should be frowned upon , if it didnt well then it wouldnt matter as much ,
 
bladeplayer said:
As homer said tho if 4 or 5 people did this in a round wouldnt it affect the css therefore could have an affect other peoples handicaps , im asking co i dont realy understand the css thing, hardly a proper thing to be doing if this was the case therefore it should be frowned upon , if it didnt well then it wouldnt matter as much ,
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From the discussions I have had if you don't hand a card in you are dq'd and get 0.1 back and don't count towards CSS that could be wrong though.
 
Every card that is handed out counts towards css so im led to belive so may it not affect your handicap it affects others so basicly cheating other people
 
I'm more worried about the guys that enter comps and NR or manage thier round to cause a handicap increase then enter a comp with decent prizes and win using their inflated handicap.

I've had a few NR's for rounds where I have had the wheels come off big style and basically left me walking alongside my playing partners for the last few holes. Am I ashamed? Nope, as a Cat 4 player it should have no impact on CSS.

Maybe if I was Cat 3 I'd worry but the way things are going it will take me a while.
 
Interesting point about whether NRs affect the CSS. Looked on the CONGU site and couldn't find anything to clarify this.

I have noticed that at our place when entering NRs on the computer for medal comps some people just put a blank or 0 for every hole, others (correctly in my view) enter the scores they actually made and only put a blank on the hole/holes they didn't complete. As I understand it, if you only failed to complete 1 or 2 holes you could still get a h/cap cut or get in the buffer zone as the NR holes will simply count as nett doubles for h/c purposes. I would imagine those cards are used when calculating CSS but not sure about cards that simply aren't handed in or when no scores are recorded. Wouldn't they be counted as scores more than 2 over SSS and included in the CSS calculation? Might be a good topic for the h/c section in GM.
 
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I would imagine those cards are used when calculating CSS but not sure about cards that simply aren't handed in or when no scores are recorded. Wouldn't they be counted as scores more than 2 over SSS and included in the CSS calculation? Might be a good topic for the h/c section in GM.
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From experience they still count even if you just score a line through rather than put an actual number in, it still gets adjusted to a net double.
 
If players deliberately do not put a card in (and the club do not automatically give 0.1, many don't for various reasons eg not using automatic sign in) then they are a) breaking the rules and b) guilty of manipulating their handicap (down over time) and c) possibly affecting the CSS and therefore a significant number of other players handicaps.

It is simply not acceptable and should be dealt with accordingly.
 
GM arrived yesterday and coincidently in the h/cap section on page 94 is a question about the affect of NRs and DQs on CSS.

Chap from HowDidIDo says, if I've understood correctly, that NRs and DQs are included the total numbers in the comp. However they affect medal and stablefords differently as in a medal the CSS is calculated before the stableford (nett double bogey) adjustment is made so in a medal a good score with a single NR hole wouldn't count towards the number of scores better than SSS +2. Therefore the CSS calculation could be different for medals and stablefords even if the same scores are recorded.

Personally I think that would be a fairly unusual situation though as I reckon the vast majority of NRs are disasters that would be well over SSS +2.
 
I put a card in from Sundays comp when I stopped playing due to injury whilst on the course and requested the record be marked "retired injured" rather than "no return" I am now trying to get the additional .1 back, as CONGU allow discretion on the .1 for discontinuation of play due to a "reasonable cause"

Chris
 
At our club in the rule book there is a bit about being given warnings for not doing so.

"ALL competition cards MUST be handed in, even though they may be a 'No Return' and failure to do so will be regarded as a breach of the disciplinary code."

If you continue to do this you get a written warning and if it happens again you cant play in competitions.
 
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