Crazyface
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Hmmm maybe, but they, who run things, never seem to make the simple right decisions. Christ...sometimes the answer screams from the roof tops yet they ignore it. Mrs May is going the right way into letting Labour in.
Is anyone else getting " wimminned out"?
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Hmmm maybe, but they, who run things, never seem to make the simple right decisions. Christ...sometimes the answer screams from the roof tops yet they ignore it. Mrs May is going the right way into letting Labour in.
Orikoru
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I'm sure it's just an exaggeration. But I wouldn't be surprised if there was some truth. i.e. women or people of colour may have a better​ chance of getting in as they are seeking to diversify.
Hacker Khan
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Arguably because she is being constantly undermined by several dick swinging power crazed males in her cabinet who are are more concerned about their own personal ego and blinkered ideologies than they are for the good of the country. IMHO.
Hacker Khan
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And is that a bad thing?
I have 'suffered' from this as I applied from a position on a board and I was told that I was not successful as they basically already had their fill of white middle class males on there and they wanted to get more diversity of opinions. And yes it did sting for a little bit, but I admired the honesty and would have much preferred that to being rejected and them making up some BS excuse about my experience not being good enough as they were worried I would go on maternity leave soon to have a baby.
I also chair a board of governors and it is human nature to prefer to work with people who share the same opinion, have the same values and basically think the same way as you essentially get very little challenge. So being forced to listen to other opinions is not always a bad thing. And yes some of this may happen naturally, but forcing through a bit of change can be a good thing.
clubchamp98
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Not an exaggeration they were his exact words.
If I was in a fire and needed to be rescued I would rather see the best person for the task of carrying me out than somebody put in there to get the numbers up.
Sweep
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None outside the ladies section.
But then rarely does a woman ever stand for office and whenever a woman has stood she has always been elected.
Orikoru
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Of course it's a bad thing. When a job in the fire brigade comes up, I want the best firefighter to get it. Full stop. Not the best female firefighter who gets diversity numbers up but is only half as competent as the male they turned away. Or vice versa - if a female is the best firefighter who applied, she should get the job for that reason - not simply because she increases the number women working there.
Exactly.
FairwayDodger
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When you are accustomed to privilege equality seems like discrimination. I suggest there are a few gentlemen on here who might benefit from mulling that over.
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If I was in a burning building and a white male fire fighter came to help, I would want to see the certificate proving that he had completed the Unconscious Bias and Diversity training. I believe they are investigating printing these on fire retardant paper.
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And my previous comment doesn't mean I don't agree with you.... you should treat everyone equally and with equal respect. That also doesn't mean that everything dressed as promoting equality, is doing so.
Hacker Khan
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Why is there an assumption that the female who gets these roles will be 'half as competent'? Do you really think the fire service will use incompetent people in a rescue situation? I know it fits a nice male narrative, especially those who have not got a job/promotion but a woman has, to think that women who get a job/promotion are not nearly as competent. But in the vast majority of cases all they are trying to do is give women the opportunity to do the job/role, to open up attractive roles to them that previously were seen as being dominated by males.
It is not a case of choosing a women for a role who is clearly not qualified over a man who is perfect, I doubt anyone ever does that as their business will just fail. But that seems to be the narrative peddled by a lot of men.
londonlewis
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Who are these white middle-class men that have had preferential treatment for centuries?
Orikoru
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I said 'or vice versa' immediately after it. Try reading the whole post instead of just replying after the first sentence that upsets you.
clubchamp98
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Try mulling it over when your house is on fire!
When someone who can’t pick you up comes to save you!
This is what firefighters ( and I know a lot of them) tell me they feel a man down and leave the weakest link in the team manning the appliance.
There are certain jobs in this world that require brute strength, a firefighter is one of them , it’s not the whole job but it is a big part.
I have seen 18st fit as a fiddle men break down in tears because they found a child hiding under the bed or in a wardrobe.
In most jobs I agree they can be done by anyone but there are certain times I want to see a person who can pick me (16st of me ) up over his or her shoulder.
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londonlewis
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Equality is spoken about often and people claim there is a lack of equality, but I actually think they mean equity.
Equality means equal opportunities. But not everyone is made equal. As a 5'8" white guy, I will never play in the NBA. I was not born equal to Lebron James.
To claim that everyone is equal, is simply not true. We are different in our physical and mental capabilities.
Equity mean equal outcome. The idea that everyone should receive the same thing. This is dangerous.
Identity politics is playing a huge part in society now. And this is not a positive movement either. It boils down to finger pointing at a section of society and saying that you aren't succesful because of them (in this case; it's men's fault that women aren't in top jobs or earning the most in sport). This divides groups of people. A wider and more dangerous example of this has happened in America with the rise of Antifa and a social divide between blacks and whites.
Identity politics gives rise to some ugly outcomes. It always has in the past and it will in the future. It doesn't bring people together, it drives people apart.
If you wanted to learn more, I recommend listening to Jordan B Peterson discussing issues in this matter.
Equality means equal opportunities. But not everyone is made equal. As a 5'8" white guy, I will never play in the NBA. I was not born equal to Lebron James.
To claim that everyone is equal, is simply not true. We are different in our physical and mental capabilities.
Equity mean equal outcome. The idea that everyone should receive the same thing. This is dangerous.
Identity politics is playing a huge part in society now. And this is not a positive movement either. It boils down to finger pointing at a section of society and saying that you aren't succesful because of them (in this case; it's men's fault that women aren't in top jobs or earning the most in sport). This divides groups of people. A wider and more dangerous example of this has happened in America with the rise of Antifa and a social divide between blacks and whites.
Identity politics gives rise to some ugly outcomes. It always has in the past and it will in the future. It doesn't bring people together, it drives people apart.
If you wanted to learn more, I recommend listening to Jordan B Peterson discussing issues in this matter.
Sharktooth
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And another thing... why aren’t there more LGBT FireThings?
clubchamp98
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Oh dear .
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Only a quarter or Primary School teachers are men. Clearly the female head teachers are excluding them. Any outrage there?
If there are not enough female firefighters maybe they should get a few to job swap with the firemen?
But the real point is......if someone is excluded from a job they are competent to do, purely on gender grounds, that's illegal and should be actioned. Are people really advocating excluding "the best candidate from a vacancy" in order to improve diversity quotas??? Isn't that discrimination too? In some organisations, that's is exactly what is happening..............
When folk start saying any industry/50 should be 50/50 (or near to it) and start artificially engineering it, we get the nonsense we get now.
If there are not enough female firefighters maybe they should get a few to job swap with the firemen?
But the real point is......if someone is excluded from a job they are competent to do, purely on gender grounds, that's illegal and should be actioned. Are people really advocating excluding "the best candidate from a vacancy" in order to improve diversity quotas??? Isn't that discrimination too? In some organisations, that's is exactly what is happening..............
When folk start saying any industry/50 should be 50/50 (or near to it) and start artificially engineering it, we get the nonsense we get now.
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signalling is the conspicuous expression of moral values done primarily with the intent of enhancing standing within a social group.
Have a go at addressing the question - do you favour positive discrimination, do you believe jobs should be awarded on merit, will tokenism backfire?
