Neilds
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And the nimby people in these under populated areas don’t want their area overpopulated with loads of new houses, what then?
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And the nimby people in these under populated areas don’t want their area overpopulated with loads of new houses, what then?
MegaSteve
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Yep, I'd just love to see Doon's face should a whole lot of 'estuary' folk rock up to live in his village...
Doon frae Troon
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The nimby folk are generally overruled by the non nimby folk.
Many villages need new young families to keep them going, without the need to build that many new houses.
Doon frae Troon
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It doesn't.....Turn back the clock 100 years to the city centre slums and overcrowding in many of our industrialised cities.
They moved or were forced to move.
300 years ago the Scottish highlands had a population four times what it is today, many were forced to move.
It is history in the making....things change.
Doon frae Troon
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the smiling assassin
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Our country is more interested in creating pen pushing office jobs moving problems from one project manager to the next, rather than creating investment in basic infrastructure.
Chatting to my brother earlier who is just back from a road trip around Europe - he drove just under 150 kilometres before seeing his first 'pothole'. Meanwhile you're incredibly lucky to travel 150 meters anywhere in the UK without dodging half a dozen.
We need a basic change in attitude in this country, a willingness for increased taxes would help, rather than a dumbass expectancy that everything Should and Will fall into our laps, just because we're living in 'Great' Britain. 'Piss Poor' Britain more like.
Chatting to my brother earlier who is just back from a road trip around Europe - he drove just under 150 kilometres before seeing his first 'pothole'. Meanwhile you're incredibly lucky to travel 150 meters anywhere in the UK without dodging half a dozen.
We need a basic change in attitude in this country, a willingness for increased taxes would help, rather than a dumbass expectancy that everything Should and Will fall into our laps, just because we're living in 'Great' Britain. 'Piss Poor' Britain more like.
SocketRocket
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The attached link gives a fair explanation on the effects of immigration on our infrastructure and economy. Some here will put it down as a right wing biased organisation but please read it and argue against the content if you disagree.
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/what-is-the-problem
[url]https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/430
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https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/what-is-the-problem
[url]https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/430
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Tashyboy
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I think you answered your own question there.
Doon none of what you have said has answered anything. If there were 4x as many people in the highlands. They were in houses and the infrastructure was there. Slums were knocked down and rebuilt. As was infrastructure for that time. The op is saying they are building houses without any infrastructure. Yet you suggest move coz times change? How does your answers answer anything the op has said.
Doon frae Troon
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Is the OP not suggesting the same as I am, building new roads and homes away from the overcrowded problem areas.
In that case someone has to move.
DCB
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They have done exactly that on the outskirts of Edinburgh. A new development which when finished will be a small town. Shawfair has railway, road and bus routes but the developers are still to start building the houses.
Doon frae Troon
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Yes the development of the M8 corridor between Bellshill and Livingston is a good example of joined up thinking.
The building of additional housing along the road links on the Fife and Lothian coastal routes is the exact opposite.
PhilTheFragger
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Aylesbury is one huge building site, there are plans for a further 20000 houses to be built over the next 20 years,
As you know I was recently in Stoke Mandeville Hospital , I was stepped down from intensive care and it took them 2 days to find me a bed in a ward as they were all full.
I know they are playing catch-up after all the cancelled operations due to the flu, but to have no spare capacity at all is dangerous. Unless the hospital expands now, how is it going to cope with the huge population increase over the next few years.
I note they are building 2 new crematoriums about 4 miles apart from each other, maybe they are planning to cut out the middle man entirely.
As you know I was recently in Stoke Mandeville Hospital , I was stepped down from intensive care and it took them 2 days to find me a bed in a ward as they were all full.
I know they are playing catch-up after all the cancelled operations due to the flu, but to have no spare capacity at all is dangerous. Unless the hospital expands now, how is it going to cope with the huge population increase over the next few years.
I note they are building 2 new crematoriums about 4 miles apart from each other, maybe they are planning to cut out the middle man entirely.
Crazyface
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And......this ! 20,000 !!!!! Down south, where it's bonkers crowded already. How High Wycombe now Phil? Last I looked on Google they'd removed where I once lived and drank to great excess on "The Marsh". The smog 25 years ago was horrendous. God knows what it is like now !!!!
Hacker Khan
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Never said or thought that. Let the ones that will contribute to the UK or are fleeing persecution come in (based on countries taking their fair share), don't let the ones that are coming here for no good.
As others have mentioned, I would say a lack of investment in the public infrastructure and public services based on an ideology that the market will provide for all is more of an issue.
Bigger cities will get bigger, urbanisation will increase, people will become even more mobile, it is a global trend. And we would be much better trying to deal with that in a strategic way rather than attempting to pull up the drawbridge, mostly after the event.
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MegaSteve
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I live in the Borough with the greatest population growth of all the London boroughs... With much of the growth occurring in the last couple or so decades... Was a time they started shutting/knocking down schools but quickly had to reverse that... Roads are often in total gridlock... Hospital beds are at a premium and the cop shops are no longer open to the public... Still much building work ongoing but no obvious escalation in provision of infrastructure...
Moving away won't necessarily help as it will just start those 'issues' moving to places new...
We are slowly boxing ourselves in...
Moving away won't necessarily help as it will just start those 'issues' moving to places new...
We are slowly boxing ourselves in...
Doon frae Troon
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High rise developments in bigger car less cities seems to be what is forecast.........not for me thanks.:lol:
MegaSteve
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Being car less wouldn't bother me... However, wouldn't fancy high rise living at all...
Grenfell still not sheeted over and it's a chilling/disturbing sight when travelling on the Central Line...
PhilTheFragger
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Lived and worked in Wycombe from 4-25 so know it like the back of my hand, Mum is in Naphill and in laws near Hughenden Park.
Essentially all the surrounding villages are part of the sprawling conurbation that is wycombe, there is nothing to indicate where Flackwell Heath meets Bourne End or Wooburn Green Etc. Houses everywhere
Wycombe Marsh itself is still recognisable apart from the retail park where the old paper mill was
Kings mead is still intact, but that’s because it’s a flood plain.
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The UK is more crowded, per acre or hectare, than Germany and France. Its 4x times more crowded in urban areas than Germany.
Immigration has a +£0.4billion impact on GDP when tax, NI are offset against benefits. However, numbers that aren't measured is the cost of education and access to the health service. Another number not factored in is the birth rate of children born in the UK but from first generation immigrants. And, in truth, apparently its impossible to accurately calculate the impact, although it has been suggested that the true impact of immigration is minus£0.8billion.
A recent report by the House of Lords suggested that the current levels of immigration is not sustainable in the UK, and actually has a negative impact on the economy because of infrastructure costs that can't be accurately measured against immigration numbers.
Saying we should sort the infrastructure out is...odd. Neither the infrastructure nor immigration numbers can be sorted in isolation. The problem is already here, i.e. the infrastructure is creaking and needs urgently addressing. But ignoring immigration at the same time is just plain silly.
Some have, mischievously, suggested that we're not crowded when you look at all the spare land in certain areas of the UK. Mmm, lets build several huge big towns in the Lake District, the Brecon Beacons and the Highlands. Wow! The crass stupidity of some just beggars belief. Where is the industry in the middle of the Lakes/Beacons/Highlands that will employ the population of these big new towns? And where is the infrastructure, e.g. doctors/hospitals that will support these big towns? Some people just want to be deliberately obtuse for the sake of an argument.
Some of the problems we have can only be sorted by targeting immigration in the right way. For example, hearing that over 400 doctor's visas were refused when we urgently need doctors is just bizarre. Do we need 400+ bricklayers or hotel receptionists?
Immigration has a +£0.4billion impact on GDP when tax, NI are offset against benefits. However, numbers that aren't measured is the cost of education and access to the health service. Another number not factored in is the birth rate of children born in the UK but from first generation immigrants. And, in truth, apparently its impossible to accurately calculate the impact, although it has been suggested that the true impact of immigration is minus£0.8billion.
A recent report by the House of Lords suggested that the current levels of immigration is not sustainable in the UK, and actually has a negative impact on the economy because of infrastructure costs that can't be accurately measured against immigration numbers.
Saying we should sort the infrastructure out is...odd. Neither the infrastructure nor immigration numbers can be sorted in isolation. The problem is already here, i.e. the infrastructure is creaking and needs urgently addressing. But ignoring immigration at the same time is just plain silly.
Some have, mischievously, suggested that we're not crowded when you look at all the spare land in certain areas of the UK. Mmm, lets build several huge big towns in the Lake District, the Brecon Beacons and the Highlands. Wow! The crass stupidity of some just beggars belief. Where is the industry in the middle of the Lakes/Beacons/Highlands that will employ the population of these big new towns? And where is the infrastructure, e.g. doctors/hospitals that will support these big towns? Some people just want to be deliberately obtuse for the sake of an argument.
Some of the problems we have can only be sorted by targeting immigration in the right way. For example, hearing that over 400 doctor's visas were refused when we urgently need doctors is just bizarre. Do we need 400+ bricklayers or hotel receptionists?
SocketRocket
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A very intelligent post.
