Implimenting your Club's 2019 Rule changes

[Sweep]

There was a similar knee jerk reaction in some informal discussions at our club....when I highlighted the existence of 2 large red staked areas that basically constitute exactly the same situation things calmed down a bit. I'm not aware of formal discussions

Forgive me if I misunderstand and this optional new LR does confuse me a little.
Am I correct in believing that under the new LR you could drop out on the fairway (have I heard that right?) for a 2 shot penalty? So, if I lose my tee shot or hit it OB I can drop sideways and I will be playing my 4th shot?
If so, this would differ somewhat from a lateral red stake hazard where if I hit my tee shot into it, I can drop out and be playing my third shot.
Or have I misunderstood?

 

[Colin L]

As I see it, many Rules are to do with how to carry on with your game when something has happened to make it difficult or impossible, such as losing your ball or going out of bounds, finding your ball in an unplayable position or in an abnormal ground condition etc. There is a procedure and sometimes a penalty, but the common factor is telling you how to keep on playing. Your are never stuck, unable to carry on.

The new optional local rule is like that - a new procedure and a penalty alternative to stroke and distance for dealing with not finding your ball or its being out of bounds so that you can keep calm and carry on - similar to but with a higher penalty than say getting out of a water hazard.

 

[duncan mackie]

Forgive me if I misunderstand and this optional new LR does confuse me a little.
Am I correct in believing that under the new LR you could drop out on the fairway (have I heard that right?) for a 2 shot penalty? So, if I lose my tee shot or hit it OB I can drop sideways and I will be playing my 4th shot?
If so, this would differ somewhat from a lateral red stake hazard where if I hit my tee shot into it, I can drop out and be playing my third shot.
Or have I misunderstood?

You are absolutely correct, and maybe I should have explained a little more...
However, ColinL has posted a response that sets out the principle raised. After that it's just a case of establishing the price.

 

[rulefan]

Forgive me if I misunderstand and this optional new LR does confuse me a little.
Am I correct in believing that under the new LR you could drop out on the fairway (have I heard that right?) for a 2 shot penalty? So, if I lose my tee shot or hit it OB I can drop sideways and I will be playing my 4th shot?
If so, this would differ somewhat from a lateral red stake hazard where if I hit my tee shot into it, I can drop out and be playing my third shot.
Or have I misunderstood?

The difference is that with the new LR you get to drop on the fairway at the cost of two strokes, with the new (red) Penalty Area you only get to drop within 2cl of point of entry, back on the flagline or back to where you last played at the cost of one stroke.
The former may give you a significant improvement but at a greater cost.
Of course, they are not interchangeable.

 

[Sweep]

You are absolutely correct, and maybe I should have explained a little more...
However, ColinL has posted a response that sets out the principle raised. After that it's just a case of establishing the price.

That’s great. Thanks for your reply.

 

[2blue]

Looks as though these LR ideas are dead & buried as it seems CONGU & EG do not want them used in Q Comps...… so are they likely to be used at all??

 

[rulefan]

Looks as though these LR ideas are dead & buried as it seems CONGU & EG do not want them used in Q Comps...… so are they likely to be used at all??

Where did you get this from? One of the seminars?
Which other LR are you referring to (other than OB/Lost ball)?

 

[2blue]

Our Match Sec announced it as a 'done deal' at our recent meeting..... just said that the news has come out! I'm on to him to find out where as I can find no reference to it.... shud have asked then but must have been dozing... it has been known to happen

 

[2blue]

I think 'Max score on a hole' would be the other..... but am enquiring. Can't have been a seminar as our local one is late Oct. I guess you've heard nothing?

 

[rulefan]

Nothing.
But not allowing max score would seem odd. It's no different to stableford or esc really and particularly as the committee (via a CONGU ruling - al la preferred lies limited to 6") would control the max

 

[2blue]

Ah.... not max... just OB/lost ball.... it seems it was an email response from an EG Handicap Official, to his enquiry about how they'd decided to treat it.

 

[rulefan]

Very worrying. CONGU overriding the R&A. The EGA's approach will be interesting.

 

[2blue]

Very worrying. CONGU overriding the R&A. The EGA's approach will be interesting.

That's what I thought, really.
Not trusting Clubs to implement it in a sensible way, though I must say it raised a lot of discussion in our meetings & on here.
Do the EGA already have it?

 

[2blue]

Very worrying. CONGU overriding the R&A. The EGA's approach will be interesting.

Oh... further up-date... apparently it was from a 'Rules Manager at the R&A'

 

[rulefan]

Oh... further up-date... apparently it was from a 'Rules Manager at the R&A'

Neither a Rules Manager nor anyone else at the R&A has anything at all to do with CONGU.
I am checking with my contacts.

That's what I thought, really.
Not trusting Clubs to implement it in a sensible way, though I must say it raised a lot of discussion in our meetings & on here.
Do the EGA already have it?

No. It doesn't become available until 2019.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Oh... further up-date... apparently it was from a 'Rules Manager at the R&A'

I’m going to suggest that it’s more to do with not implementing the local rule for OOB/Lost ball - there will be loads of clubs that won’t implement it.

 

[jusme]

I don’t think it’s really that hard , send out emails , put notices up , send letters and point them in the direction of websites

At the end of the day it’s rules of golf that are changing and it’s the golfers responsibility to check the rules and changes not the clubs - people shouldnt be babysit too much . The rules are the players responsibility to know , ignorance is not an excuse as I say when someone is penalised for a rule break

This all day long. I am getting a little tired of reading complaints about various aspects of the changes. It's your responsibility to learn them - get on with it

 

[Neilglover5]

Neither a Rules Manager nor anyone else at the R&A has anything at all to do with CONGU.
I am checking with my contacts.

No. It doesn't become available until 2019.

EGU & CONGU have advised the R&A they won’t be allowing the “optional local rule” alternative to S&D in qualifying competitions! They haven’t made this public yet but I have correspondence.

 

[Colin L]

EGU & CONGU have advised the R&A they won’t be allowing the “optional local rule” alternative to S&D in qualifying competitions! They haven’t made this public yet but I have correspondence.

If you have correspondence which you are prepared to disclose on a forum, then it has indeed been made public.

 

[rulefan]

EGU & CONGU have advised the R&A they won’t be allowing the “optional local rule” alternative to S&D in qualifying competitions! They haven’t made this public yet but I have correspondence.

I doubt the EGU have corresponded with anyone recently.