I think it should have been a penalty....

[bobmac]

So if in doubt keep quiet!

Am I not allowed to comment now?

I will repeat that you can give or ask for information about the rules, distances, or matters of public information, such as the position of hazards or the flagstick on the putting green, You cannot ask for any advice that could influence a player in determining his play, the choice of a club or the method of making a stroke.

I'm well aware of that but I repeat, it depends on how it was asked

 

[delc]

While your statement is correct, you have again misunderstood the Rule (in combo with the definition)!

Giving/requesting advice is indeed a breach. but if the player has holed out, then any comment is not 'Advice' as per the definition, as it's not going to influence... etc

"Advice" is any counsel or suggestion that could influence a player in determining his play, the choice of a club or the method of making a stroke.

Same applies to asking a FC or Opponent what club he used after you've both played to a Par 3.

Yes, once the advice can no longer influence play, this is true. However you still have to be careful about saying things like "You lifted your head on your third shot", as this could be regarded as coaching.

 

[chrisd]

Am I not allowed to comment now?

I don't think he meant you Bob. I think that he meant that the the players should, if they are in doubt about asking for, or giving, advice should keep quiet

 

[delc]

Am I not allowed to comment now?



I'm well aware of that but I repeat, it depends on how it was asked

You cannot ask for advice that could influence play, however politely you ask!

 

[rosecott]

I thought the forum was getting "less interesting" than previously then, shortly after Delc starts posting prolifically, suddenly Bob re-appears from nowhere. They are made for each other - I can't wait for things to develop.

 

[bobmac]

You cannot ask for advice that might influence play, however politely you ask!

The question ''how did that miss'' could be asked in an inquiring way that was expecting a reply or it could be asked in a disbelieving, incredulous and rhetorical manner.
The same words but two different meanings.

 

[delc]

The question ''how did that miss'' could be asked in an inquiring way that was expecting a reply or it could be asked in a disbelieving, incredulous and rhetorical manner.
The same words but two different meanings.

Ah but that is a comment on what has just happened, not a request for advice that could influence play!

 

[Foxholer]

The question ''how did that miss'' could be asked in an inquiring way that was expecting a reply or it could be asked in a disbelieving, incredulous and rhetorical manner.
The same words but two different meanings.

Ah but that is a comment on what has just happened, not a request for advice that could influence play!

Surely the answer should be 'I yipped it!'.

Bob. i think we've identified another use for the V-Easy!

 

[chrisd]

Ah but that is a comment on what has just happened, not a request for advice that could influence play!

You always seem to miss the point Del

What Bob is saying is that the original post could have been a request for advice or a rhetorical question. Depending on how it was said it might be a rule infringement or it might not as the original poster hasn't, as far as I can tell, posted as to exactly the wording was asked. Without the answer to this question none of us ca know whether a rule has been broken.

 

[bobmac]

Ah but that is a comment on what has just happened, not a request for advice that could influence play!

So you agree that ''how did that miss'' and ''how did that miss'' can mean 2 different things?
If so, then you also agree that the rules aren't quite as 'black and white' as you first thought and are open to a certain degree of personal interpretation.

 

[chrisd]

So you agree that ''how did that miss'' and ''how did that miss'' can mean 2 different things?
If so, then you also agree that the rules aren't quite as 'black and white' as you first thought and are open to a certain degree of personal interpretation.

But if the hole was larger it wouldn't have missed!


Sorry, I'll get my coat!

 

[Fish]

But if the hole was larger it wouldn't have missed!


Sorry, I'll get my coat!

You all really don't understand what you've done, you've awoken the beast and are feeding him :rofl:

 

[delc]

You always seem to miss the point Del

What Bob is saying is that the original post could have been a request for advice or a rhetorical question. Depending on how it was said it might be a rule infringement or it might not as the original poster hasn't, as far as I can tell, posted as to exactly the wording was asked. Without the answer to this question none of us ca know whether a rule has been broken.

As I read the original posting, the fellow competitor asked the original poster "how did your putt move?", a question that IMO is a clear breach of rule 8-1b, as he was trying to get advice on how to play his next putt.

 

[chrisd]

As I read the original posting, the fellow competitor asked the original poster "how did your putt move?", a question that IMO is a clear breach of rule 8-1b, as he was trying to get advice on how to play his next putt.

The point is Del that it's whether it was a direct question or a rhetorical one. You don't know, I don't know only the OP knows and he hasn't told us. So you have decided the answer without knowing the facts, I just hope that you're not on the jury on a trial I'm in the dock for?

 

[delc]

"How did your putt miss?" I might accept as a rhetorical question, but "How did you putt move?" seems to mean 'which way did it break' to me, which is asking for advice! Perhaps the original poster would care to comment?

 

[Blue in Munich]

As I read the original posting, the fellow competitor asked the original poster "how did your putt move?", a question that IMO is a clear breach of rule 8-1b, as he was trying to get advice on how to play his next putt.

It is only a clear breach if the person asking the question might gain a benefit from the answer in his playing of the hole (in this case). If the person asking the question had already holed out it made no difference whatsoever, and as that information wasn't in the OP then there wasn't a clear breach of anything on what was posted. It only became apparent when the Sawtooth added that the person asking the advice was still to putt and that his ball was in a position that meant that the information could be useful to him.

 

[chrisd]

"How did your putt miss?" I might accept as a rhetorical question, but "How did you putt move?" seems to mean 'which way did it break' to me, which is asking for advice! Perhaps the original poster would care to comment?

Sorry Del, you are guessing still, and to give a categoric answer, you absolutely have to be absolutely certain of the whether it was a question or a rhetorical comment. If your going to call someone and penalise then you really do have to be certain and, at this point in time, none of us are certain. I can easy see how "how did your putt move" could be rhetorical if it ran straight and true for most of the putt then veered off just at the end.

 

[delc]

It is only a clear breach if the person asking the question might gain a benefit from the answer in his playing of the hole (in this case). If the person asking the question had already holed out it made no difference whatsoever, and as that information wasn't in the OP then there wasn't a clear breach of anything on what was posted. It only became apparent when the Sawtooth added that the person asking the advice was still to putt and that his ball was in a position that meant that the information could be useful to him.

The original poster has since clarified that he putted first and the fellow competitor asked the question after that, but before he putted.

 

[chrisd]

The original poster has since clarified that he putted first and the fellow competitor asked the question after that, but before he putted.

But he still hasn't told us the answer as to how the comment was worded and. you have, when it comes to rules, to be certain of the facts before you hang someone.

You Del, are still guessing and whilst, in the end, you may be right, at this stage you quite possibly are anything but right

 

[delc]

But he still hasn't told us the answer as to how the comment was worded and. you have, when it comes to rules, to be certain of the facts before you hang someone.
You Del, are still guessing and whilst, in the end, you may be right, at this stage you quite possibly are anything but right

Aren't the words used in the original posting?!!!