I think it should have been a penalty....

[sawtooth]

We played on New Years Day and on the second green after I had played my putt a fellow competitor asked me "how did that putt move?"

I told him that it would be a good idea if I didn't answer that question. I wasn't 100% sure ( I was reasonably sure) at the time that he had already broken a rule by asking the question but now I'm quite certain that he should have received a 2 shot penalty.

The 3rd person in our group didn't really say much at all so we ignored it and carried on.

In the end I am probably just as guilty as the guy who asked the question, for choosing to let it go or at least discussing it with the capt and others back in the clubhouse.

I guess you could say that I bottled it.

 

[chrisd]

Asking for advice is a 2 shot penalty under Rule 8-1b

I don't think that ignoring it is as bad as doing it but he should have been penalised. I do suspect that advice is given or asked more frequently than it punished though!

 

[palindromicbob]

We played on New Years Day and on the second green after I had played my putt a fellow competitor asked me "how did that putt move?"

I told him that it would be a good idea if I didn't answer that question. I wasn't 100% sure ( I was reasonably sure) at the time that he had already broken a rule by asking the question but now I'm quite certain that he should have received a 2 shot penalty.

The 3rd person in our group didn't really say much at all so we ignored it and carried on.

In the end I am probably just as guilty as the guy who asked the question, for choosing to let it go or at least discussing it with the capt and others back in the clubhouse.

I guess you could say that I bottled it.

Serious comp or friendly knock about?

 

[sawtooth]

Serious comp or friendly knock about?

Serious comp.

In the end it would not have affected the result in anyway. It would have been harsh because he obviously didn't know that he was breaking a rule by asking. He didn't even get a reply to his question so did not gain any advantage. That said the letter of the law states a 2 shot pen as confirmed by Chris - above.

This game has a habit of putting people in awkward predicaments doesn't it?

 

[pbrown7582]

You could potentially be dq'd for knowingly allowing a FC to break the rules?

 

[3offTheTee]

You could potentially be dq'd for knowingly allowing a FC to break the rules?

but what if he was unsure as he implied?

 

[Fish]

but what if he was unsure as he implied?

If he or I was unsure at the time, I would say so and then immediately afterwards seek advice and report if necessary. Its the only way everyone learns.

 

[Foxholer]

Sounds like a request for advice to me.

If the FC should have known that was the case, I'd have simply stated 'Asking for advice is a 2 shot penalty!'. If (s)he was a newbie, I'd probably have phrased the question differently - along the lines of 'Newton's 1st Law! I presume you were asking about the Physics involved, as anything else would be a request for advice which is a 2 shot Penalty!'.

So yes, I think you bottled it! And yes, Golf does throw up some 'interesting' situations - a microcosm of life perhaps!

 

[bladeplayer]

Ive tried to reply to this a few times but my reply doesnt seem to read correctly ..

I agree totally if someone breaks the rules they are to be punished .. i do also believe we sometimes have to use our common sense on the course , if what happened in the OP happened to me and i wasnt sure if the guy was a newbie or what ever id ask him .. are you aware its against the rules to ask that ? if he said no id advise him of the ruling and as i hadn't answered him i would know he had not gained any advantage what so ever and i would leave it at that ..

I know im guilty of saying " grand take your time" when someone says they will finish off a putt , i see it as a courtesy rather than advice tho , if you want to pull me for it you are well within your rights & i will accept it , but i wouldnt play golf with you again ..

Open Season on me now i know but hey in just giving my opinion on what i would do .. Fire away

 

[One Planer]

A slight hijack here, but.....

... If I were to tee off into a strong headwind, see how the flight of my ball was affected, then say to my FC/PP:

"That winds strong, I'd club up!"

Whether they actually club up, or not, I take it this is also offering advice although the FC/PP has not requested such information?

 

[Foxholer]

Ive tried to reply to this a few times but my reply doesnt seem to read correctly ..

I agree totally if someone breaks the rules they are to be punished .. i do also believe we sometimes have to use our common sense on the course , if what happened in the OP happened to me and i wasnt sure if the guy was a newbie or what ever id ask him .. are you aware its against the rules to ask that ? if he said no id advise him of the ruling and as i hadn't answered him i would know he had not gained any advantage what so ever and i would leave it at that ..

I know im guilty of saying " grand take your time" when someone says they will finish off a putt , i see it as a courtesy rather than advice tho , if you want to pull me for it you are well within your rights & i will accept it , but i wouldnt play golf with you again ..

Open Season on me now i know but hey in just giving my opinion on what i would do .. Fire away

I know what you mean about replies not reading quite right.

I'd suggest you temper you statement I've highlighted to state 'for advice' rather than 'that'. That way it gives you both an 'out' about what was actually asked for. And I agree about the 'take your time' statement. I don't use (or even hear!) it, but it has been described as 'the most commonly broken Rule'!

 

[bladeplayer]

I know what you mean about replies not reading quite right.

I'd suggest you temper you statement I've highlighted to state 'for advice' rather than 'that'. That way it gives you both an 'out' about what was actually asked for. And I agree about the 'take your time' statement. I don't use (or even hear!) it, but it has been described as 'the most commonly broken Rule'!

Very true mate "for advice" would be a better reply than just "that" , it would be more helpful to the other player aswell as it would cover all advice not just the one he asked ,, thanks

 

[sawtooth]

Ive tried to reply to this a few times but my reply doesnt seem to read correctly ..

I agree totally if someone breaks the rules they are to be punished .. i do also believe we sometimes have to use our common sense on the course , if what happened in the OP happened to me and i wasnt sure if the guy was a newbie or what ever id ask him .. are you aware its against the rules to ask that ? if he said no id advise him of the ruling and as i hadn't answered him i would know he had not gained any advantage what so ever and i would leave it at that ..

I know im guilty of saying " grand take your time" when someone says they will finish off a putt , i see it as a courtesy rather than advice tho , if you want to pull me for it you are well within your rights & i will accept it , but i wouldnt play golf with you again ..

Open Season on me now i know but hey in just giving my opinion on what i would do .. Fire away

I agree with this. I say "take your time" a lot! I would be gutted if I someone were to take me to task for that.

So yes, I think you bottled it! And yes, Golf does throw up some 'interesting' situations - a microcosm of life perhaps!

Agree with that as well. If I am really really honest I didn't want to upset the guy and cause potential unrest by raising what I thought was a non-event. Before anyone says, I would have done exactly the same in a matchplay situation.

The thing I would like to say in my defence is that rules are there to protect everyone from cheating. Did I think this guy was trying to cheat? No.

 

[sneill]

I hope you let hm know now of his mistake. Every days a school day

 

[Crow]

A slight hijack here, but.....

... If I were to tee off into a strong headwind, see how the flight of my ball was affected, then say to my FC/PP:

"That winds strong, I'd club up!"

Whether they actually club up, or not, I take it this is also offering advice although the FC/PP has not requested such information?

Yes, it is.
You woud be subject to the penalty, your FC would not.
And of course you can advise your partner, in a foursomes match for instance, at any time without penalty to either of you.

 

[chrisd]

I don't see any situation where I would call a penalty on this, as, if I was asked for advice as I would probably be a little hard of hearing and point out that I'm sure my advice wasn't being sought, and anyway, it's not gained an advantage if he asked and it wasn't answered - still a penalty I know but hey!

How I'd deal with hearing other playing partners asking for, and getting advice is a little more worrying but I'll deal with that one when it happens

 

[delc]

From the R&A rules, definitions section:

Advice

"Advice" is any counsel or suggestion that could influence a player in determining his play, the choice of a club or the method of making a stroke.

Information on the Rules, distance or matters of public information, such as the position of hazards or the flagstick on the putting green, is not advice.

Also see Rule 8-1

During a stipulated round, a player must not:
a. give advice to anyone in the competition playing on the course other than his partner, or b. ask for advice from anyone other than his partner or either of their caddies.
PENALTY FOR BREACH OF RULE
Match play – Loss of hole; Stroke play – Two strokes.

So yes, your fellow competitor did technically break the rules on advice.

 

[mashleyR7]

I did not know of this rule. Everyday is a school day. I always say take your time when a FC finishes his putt.

 

[guest100718]

I don't see any situation where I would call a penalty on this, as, if I was asked for advice as I would probably be a little hard of hearing and point out that I'm sure my advice wasn't being sought, and anyway, it's not gained an advantage if he asked and it wasn't answered - still a penalty I know but hey!

How I'd deal with hearing other playing partners asking for, and getting advice is a little more worrying but I'll deal with that one when it happens

In one thread you are proclaiming we are all refs and upholders of the rules of golf and in this one your happy to break them. Interesting.

 

[sawtooth]

I hope you let hm know now of his mistake. Every days a school day

Yep he pretty much knows now not to ask again.