how long is too long for a game of golf?

richy said:
So is saying that people who shoot straight off aren't proper members

(I know that it wasn't you who said that)
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Yes it's also wrong to say that but doesn't mean the automatic reply is to insult people who do stay for a drink
 
richart said:
How long does a quick drink with your partners take? I could do that in 10 minutes and still have time to bore them rigid. I do find it strange that someone can take probably 4 hours for a round without a problem, but not find a few more minutes to be sociable. Ok there may be the odd time when you do really need to rush off, but everytime you play ?

We do have a few at my club that have time for a drink if I am buying, but then strangely find a sudden reason to dash off when it is their turn. They only catch me out the once though.;)
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Having the chat in the bar after is all part of the idea of playing golf for me

Afterwards is where you hear the stories and the laughter and jokes - last weekend was the perfect example
 
Not a fan of car park golfers and would rather members took the chance to socialise and spend their cash in the bar afterwards BUT I also understand many have family and other committments and after a slow round would rather get away and do whatever they have to do. Doesn't make them any less of a member for it. If they could pop in once in a while, every little helps as they say towards bottom line profits but again, if they choose not to it's no biggie. As long as they are good company on the course then what else do they have to do or be?
 
if someone wants to be a carpark member then that's up to them - not ideal IMO as all clubs count on additional income from members above and beyond the subs - and if we all took the carpark golf approach club would struggle and probably go under unless subs were increased for all. And so the truth of it is that carpark members have their golf subsidised by members who use the clubhouse.

The other aspect that carpark members risk losing out on is any legitimacy or recognition of their views by other members on the course or management of the club and it's facilities. By not using the club other than the course - you effectively disenfranchise yourself from any decision making.
 
On weekdays I have 6 hours between dropping my sons at school and picking them up again. It's a 45 minute drive to the golf club which leaves me 4 + 1/2 hours to get round. Apart from the odd occasion I don't play a lot at the weekends as that is family time. If I get round in 4 hours I have time to stop for a drink. If the round is 4 + 1/2 hours I have to get straight in the car and leave. That doesn't make me any less of a member.

What's next comparing who spends what in the pro shop to determine what a "proper" member is.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
if someone wants to be a carpark member then that's up to them - not ideal IMO as all clubs count on additional income from members above and beyond the subs - and if we all took the carpark golf approach club would struggle and probably go under unless subs were increased for all. And so the truth of it is that carpark members have their golf subsidised by members who use the clubhouse.

The other aspect that carpark members risk losing out on is any legitimacy or recognition of their views by other members on the course or management of the club and it's facilities. By not using the club other than the course - you effectively disenfranchise yourself from any decision making.
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We introduced a bar levy this year and if you don't spend it by the end of the membership year you lose it. I understand there about 100 members who haven't spent a penny with the membership year ending this month. I wonder if there will be loads of members suddenly finding time for a drink, or just a nice lump sum going into the Club's coffers ?
 
richart said:
We introduced a bar levy this year and if you don't spend it by the end of the membership year you lose it. I understand there about 100 members who haven't spent a penny with the membership year ending this month. I wonder if there will be loads of members suddenly finding time for a drink, or just a nice lump sum going into the Club's coffers ?
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We have been doing this for the last 5 years

What ever is left over from bar Levys not spent is used to pay the yearly Sky Subscription
 
I thought that most members clubs had a 'use it or lose it' bar and food levy added to the annual subs (I was sure Blackmoor did as my mate had a members discount card that I assumed was also a levy card). Anyway - my £100 seems to disappear very quickly. We still need members to spend more than the one-off levy at renewal though.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
It would be interesting to ask our women golfers if the ever experience 5 hour rounds on their competition days.
We used to find that women were much quicker than men in a similar situation on a golf course.
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Not had a 5 hour round but we do tend to play in 3's not 4's which helps...
 
6inchcup said:
so you joined to play with your mate,fine,so you and your mate never spend any money in the pro shop or go for a drink afterwards in the club house,you never have a few drinks after a comp with your pp,you never go to club dinners and functions or take your wives/girlfriends/boyfriends to presentation nights because thats what members do at my club and i think this happens at most clubs,members make a club and in my opinion just turning up with your mate never going into the clubhouse playing a round then going home isnt a proper member just someone after cheap golf.
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I have to say I find some of your posts and "reasoning's" for them quite rude, once you pay your fee's, of which any decent secretary will have built his business model on that's it, you are not obliged to do or spend or participate in any other way, that's the facts of the matter, your opinion of what a "proper member" is and what a "true member" is as far as figures on the P&L are 2 different things. I see a lot of waste lost within the bar/restaurant areas, excessive staff for those areas, over priced drinks & foods so not attracting "members" to buy and stay, chefs not doing anything for hours, and the list could go on, the main core business is the golf course, I fully understand that profits from other areas of the club can help to support that, but, the members fee's and projected visitor green fee's should reflect that alone and anything else is a Brucie bonus. If that meant cutting back on bar times, food availability and staff, then so be it. I've seen the same old crowd attending some functions and I applaud them, obviously they have the club as their main circle of friends, but, that should not be forced upon or expected of the other members who simply have chosen the club because of the golf course, they have no other obligation to contribute other than their annual fee's.

And to mention not spending in the Pro shop does nothing for the club, 99% of them are on a retainer so their revenue is their own, so your not investing in the club by spending in the Pro shop either!

Maybe Paddy should leave that club by your reckoning as he's not a "proper member" and then you can explain to his secretary how to claw back that revenue?
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I thought that most members clubs had a 'use it or lose it' bar and food levy added to the annual subs (I was sure Blackmoor did as my mate had a members discount card that I assumed was also a levy card). Anyway - my £100 seems to disappear very quickly. We still need members to spend more than the one-off levy at renewal though.
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We have a discount card but only this year was it compulsary to put £50 on it. £75 next membership year, and £100 thereafter. On the Club's website you can see how much you have spent over the year, which is rather frightening.:eek:
 
I'm a high handiacpper, can get round my local course in 2 hours 20 on my own, don't go for a drink after if I'm on my own, do if I play a round with mates and sometimes untuck my shirt. What does that make me?
 
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