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Hillsbrough - Sick to the back teeth

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Pin-seeker said:
Does it really make some one a troll just because they have an opinion that goes against the grain? I'd rather be honest & be called a troll,than say what I think people want to ear.
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No but some people always want to be contrary for the sake of it, and to do it on a subject as emotive as this, just to get a "bite", or so that they can gain notoriety.

The Op - never heard of him before this, does he post on normal stuff, any other footy stuff, poltical stuff - not that I can remember, obviously very forgettable opinions (or boring). Gets himself some notoriety now, hasn't he?

Adi2Dassler said:
Pretty surprised by this tbh.I reckon if your over the age of 40 and follow a team you've been in a situation at a match when you've been scared by the crowds.Now multiply it to the extent of nearly 100 folk being crushed to death.I can't comprehend that and I'm quite happy to remember the poor souls that never came back,just like I do with Bradford,Heysel and Ibrox.

Those who died aren't to blame, but I"m going to be a wee bit controversial here.We've all been outside grounds, had a beer and maybe a wee bit late, we've all been in the sway and part of the collective crowd, so when that gate opened, we'd have all pushed forward trying to get in, not trying to kill folk, not wanting to harm anyone, just wanting to get in.So the blame lies nowhere near any Liverpool fan that day, they might be part of the reason why it happened, but the blame and subsequent coverup was a disgrace to democracy and its interesting the same police force was at Orgreave.

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Agree with this, lets face it this was your average footy fan in these days.
 
Adi2Dassler said:
Ah, I knew it wasn't Maggie, contrary to myth, she was against it..she was also against introducing the poll tax to scotland early, another myth.
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Well she wasn't "against it" as such but was "persuaded" against Howes recommendations by other cabinet ministers. Howe recently said that the memo was interpreted wrong also.

Liverpool along with other cities above the Watford gap where just left to rot with zero money to regenerate - Thatcher wanted London to be the hub. Wanted rid of our industries and to concentrate on the financial markets.

Thankfully now the cities beyond the south are growing and regenerating into great cities again
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Well she wasn't "against it" as such but was "persuaded" against Howes recommendations by other cabinet ministers. Howe recently said that the memo was interpreted wrong also.

Liverpool along with other cities above the Watford gap where just left to rot with zero money to regenerate - Thatcher wanted London to be the hub. Wanted rid of our industries and to concentrate on the financial markets.

Thankfully now the cities beyond the south are growing and regenerating into great cities again
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Well she succeeded in that respect.
 
Adi2Dassler said:
Well she succeeded in that respect.
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She did and that still hurts a lot of people

Britain was the leader in industry - we created everything and it was all high quality

What do we build now ?

Anyway that and the suspected part in the Hillsborough Cover Up is why her death was "celebrated/not mourned" in many areas north of Watford
 
96 people left home and went to a game of football and never returned home. Ordinary human beings like you and I, doing what they did every other week. Nothing can bring them back, nothing can change what happened that day.

However, people responsible for the subsequent cover up and smear campaign can and should be identified and brought to book. If the campaign had not been kept in the public domain over the years this would not be possible. A minutes silence is a small price for people to pay to help ensure this happens.

The cover up by the authorities is something any decent minded individual should find abhorrent. I hope every last one of them, from the PC who lied or changed their statements all the way up to guilty parties at government level are identified, named and punished in full public view. A democracy demands no less and how people can be "sick" of this beggars belief to be honest, I hope they never lose loved ones in similar circumstances.
 
murphthemog said:
Back to the op, but why is there so much on Hillsbrough, but not Heysel? Are they not similar?
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Heysel was the result of a stadium in ill repair and the mindless actions of idiots/hooligans which caused the deaths of fans.

Again there is no cover up of those events and people have been punished.

The fans deaths are remembered by Juventus every year.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Heysel was the result of a stadium in ill repair and the mindless actions of idiots/hooligans which caused the deaths of fans.

Again there is no cover up of those events and people have been punished.

The fans deaths are remembered by Juventus every year.
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But not by Liverpool?

I know nothing, and have no axe to grind, I'm just interested from a neutral point of view. Note, arsenal fans complained about the decrepitude of that stadium the year before the disaster, but that doesn't excuse the behaviour of certain idiots, but they were Liverpool fans.
 
murphthemog said:
But not by Liverpool?

I know nothing, and have no axe to grind, I'm just interested from a neutral point of view. Note, arsenal fans complained about the decrepitude of that stadium the year before the disaster, but that doesn't excuse the behaviour of certain idiots, but they were Liverpool fans.
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We have remembered the event in the past.

And yes they were Liverpool fans who charged that day and those fans ( think 18 of them ) were convicted of manslaughter and imprisoned. It is an episode that the club and the fans aren't proud of certainly.

Certainly also plenty of witnesses have suggested that there were also plenty of non Liverpool fans around the place that day.
 
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Mods - close it down.

Its just a vehicle for every stupid, ill-conceived, stereotypical comment/idea on everything to do with Liverpool the city or the football club.

The whole thread is being used to this end. It is about a disaster where 96 people died - I was there, I seen it, and to be used to these ends is frankly disgusting.

I advise all scousers or LFC fans to boycott this thread, it will only end badly.

Shame on you.
 
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Liverpoolphil said:
We have remembered the event in the past.

And yes they were Liverpool fans who charged that day and those fans ( think 18 of them ) were convicted of manslaughter and imprisoned. It is an episode that the club and the fans aren't proud of certainly.

Certainly also plenty of witnesses have suggested that there were also plenty of non Liverpool fans around the place that day.
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having read all the post, I think the point your responding to is my only thought I also share. Although justice has been served for those a hysel. I don't see why one tragedy should get more recognition than the other?

I fully agree it needs coverage to keep the campaign going. I just think that those lost in any sporting targets deserve the same respect. And I agree that those at hysel and Bradford to name two, don't get the same remembrance.
 
Liverbirdie said:
Guys, dont give the trolls what they want - notoriety.

Yes they pick their targets, and from a safe distance.

For the people who have helped in any small way over the years, thank you. We dont want to keep talking about it either, we want accountability for the ones who were at fault, and also helped to cover up what happened.

After that we dont want it all in the public domain, and we will remember in our own way, and will not expect others to. But until that day comes, we will keep seeking justice and keep it in the public domain. If you dont like it turn over, look away.
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Excellent post.
 
Papas1982 said:
having read all the post, I think the point your responding to is my only thought I also share. Although justice has been served for those a hysel. I don't see why one tragedy should get more recognition than the other?

I fully agree it needs coverage to keep the campaign going. I just think that those lost in any sporting targets deserve the same respect. And I agree that those at hysel and Bradford to name two, don't get the same remembrance.
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It's not a contest to see which tragedy gets more coverage or recognition

Bradford is remembered every year

Heysel is remembered every year by Juventus and Italian Clubs

The families have kept Hillsborough in the public eye - Liverpool FC recongnise it every year and hold a service for it.

It's been given extra focus this year due to the 25 Anniversary.
 
Dodger said:
Touchy/edgy. I have not seen one yet.
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When people see their fellow fans pass away through no fault of their own they will feel very touchy when people starts threads about the event itself - especially when that thread appears to be looking for something.
 
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