Hillsborough Inquest

[Beezerk]

All of them. The question the jury was asked was in reference to the "behaviour on the part of the football supporters".

I suppose it depends how you take the question, were they disorderly and causing trouble, no, were there thousands of them trying to get into the match just before kickoff, lots without tickets, yes. As I understand it the latter was why the cops stupidly opened the gate.
Anyway we could labour the points all day, I'm glad the families have finally got some form of justice, arguing over the technicality of one of the questions isn't going to achieve anything.

 

[Liverbirdie]

All of them. The question the jury was asked was in reference to the "behaviour on the part of the football supporters".

Berger, you'll be knocking your head against a brick wall mate.

Some people get some sort of "fame" out of this, people who have had less than 100 posts, suddenly feeling that they can make a name for themselves, or trolls, or haters that are gonna hate.

The overall point is did Liverpool fans do anything different to what other fans did that day in attending a match that day, and they clearly didnt.

Did the police, stadium authorities, FA, ambulance service clearly get things wrong and absolutely fail in their duty of care, and then provide a massive perjurous cover-up - yes they did.

After that it's just semantics, or people getting some mis-placed fame from going against the grain.

 

[Liverbirdie]

no, were there thousands of them trying to get into the match just before kickoff, lots without tickets, yes. As I understand it the latter was why the cops stupidly opened the gate.
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I take it you cant read then?

 

[Marshy77]

Berger, you'll be knocking your head against a brick wall mate.

Some people get some sort of "fame" out of this, people who have had less than 100 posts, suddenly feeling that they can make a name for themselves, or trolls, or haters that are gonna hate.

The overall point is did Liverpool fans do anything different to what other fans did that day in attending a match that day, and they clearly didnt.

Did the police, stadium authorities, FA, ambulance service clearly get things wrong and absolutely fail in their duty of care, and then provide a massive perjurous cover-up - yes they did.

After that it's just semantics, or people getting some mis-placed fame from going against the grain.

Absolutely spot on.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

I think we have to accept that on the morning of the disaster, NOBODY woke up thinking " Lets cause chaos and kill some football supporters"

What happened was the result of a large number of wrong decisions, bad timing, bad luck and the law of unintended consequences. What happened afterwards with the cover up and mud slinging was shameful and has to be exposed and dealt with.

But I do not believe there was any malice on the part of the police in charge that day, Gross negligence by those in charge, yes

It is interesting to look at the various options that the jury could have returned

lawful Killing----- Obviously not
Misadventure--- The supporters killed or injured did nothing wrong, they did not knowingly put themselves in harms way, so not misadventure.
Open verdict-- only where there are doubts or insufficient evidence, so not an open verdict
Unlawful killing-- Almost by default the one most likely to be selected by the jury.

Interesting as it could lead to a manslaughter by gross negligence rap against those in charge that day.

I hope the relatives of those who died can finish their grieving now

 

[oxymoron]

So , sorry but i feel i am being pilloried for my opinion, and i did not know that you need a required number of posts to be able to put an opinion over .I am not seeking"fame " and its insulting to suggest otherwise .

 

[Beezerk]

I take it you cant read then?

Obviously not, you're going to have to help me out here.

 

[Liverbirdie]

So , sorry but i feel i am being pilloried for my opinion, and i did not know that you need a required number of posts to be able to put an opinion over .I am not seeking"fame " and its insulting to suggest otherwise .

So you join a golf forum, and instead of shooting the breeze about "how do you mark your balls", what about the latest Ping irons, you think that this is more befitting of the use of a golf forum. Moron is a great moniker.

Whats your next missive - "Pol pot - bit misunderstood, wasn't he"?

 

[Kellfire]

So , sorry but i feel i am being pilloried for my opinion, and i did not know that you need a required number of posts to be able to put an opinion over .I am not seeking"fame " and its insulting to suggest otherwise .

As with anything, some people will see any opinion that goes against their own as being inflammatory because they can't/won't see beyond their own opinion. Don't worry about it.

Juries get things wrong especially over emotive topics. That's something that those holding oxymoron et al to task should remember.

 

[Liverbirdie]

As with anything, some people will see any opinion that goes against their own as being inflammatory because they can't/won't see beyond their own opinion. Don't worry about it.

Juries get things wrong especially over emotive topics. That's something that those holding oxymoron et al to task should remember.

Not said as a bitter man U supporter then?

I was there that day, whats your knowledge?

 

[oxymoron]

So you join a golf forum, and instead of shooting the breeze about "how do you mark your balls", what about the latest Ping irons, you think that this is more befitting of the use of a golf forum. Moron is a great moniker.

Whats your next missive - "Pol pot - bit misunderstood, wasn't he"?

You really are a nice piece of work , cant you say anything without insulting anyone ? Man u supporter ? WTF has that got to do with it ? Why drag other teams in to it ? Any chance of a balanced conversation has just flown out of the window .

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Time to stop gents please

 

[pokerjoke]

Not said as a bitter man U supporter then?

I was there that day, whats your knowledge?

I am a Man Utd supporter and have been for 41 years and I am extremely pleased with the verdict today.

I was not there obviously and I really feel for the supporters that were and those that saw such a tragedy take place.

I remember watching on tv and seeing those faces squashed up against the fences and the images in the papers afterwards and remember how shocked I was.

Imo it is a great day for the 96 and the families,supporters and players involved on that fateful day and my thoughts are with you all today.

Just on another note this subject is always going to throw up something people don't like and imo threads like this should be shut down as soon as possible once friction occurs.

 

[Liverbirdie]

I am a Man Utd supporter and have been for 41 years and I am extremely pleased with the verdict today.

I was not there obviously and I really feel for the supporters that were and those that saw such a tragedy take place.

I remember watching on tv and seeing those faces squashed up against the fences and the images in the papers afterwards and remember how shocked I was.

Imo it is a great day for the 96 and the families,supporters and players involved on that fateful day and my thoughts are with you all today.

Just on another note this subject is always going to throw up something people don't like and imo threads like this should be shut down as soon as possible once friction occurs.

Bang on Tony, and not for one minute do I class all man U fans as the same.

 

[Liverbirdie]

So , sorry but i feel i am being pilloried for my opinion, and i did not know that you need a required number of posts to be able to put an opinion over .I am not seeking"fame " and its insulting to suggest otherwise .

Pilloried, PILLORIED!!!!!

You don’t know what pilloried is. A few words on a golf forum, that you hardly contribute on. Awwww, poor you.

Try going to away games for 27 years having SOME supporters singing "you killed your own fans", "Always the victims" and much worse,and be told "oh just forget about it, and get on with life".
Have other supporters mimic dying and crush poses.

Luckily most footy fans are great, and there has been lots of support from all over the world.

 

[pokerjoke]

Bang on Tony, and not for one minute do I class all man U fans as the same.

I know mate

Have a good day today mate justice has been done.

 

[chrisd]

Have a good day today mate justice has been done.

Blame has certainly been apportioned, do the families/fans want prosecutions following these verdicts?

 

[Liverbirdie]

Obviously not, you're going to have to help me out here.

So where is your information from, or do you just think it from years of mi-informed opinion, normally put out there by the police.

Police who changed over 200 statements, bullying their own officers, and suggesting changes of wording.

Without you looking it up, how many people do you think got in without tickets? Again, even if it happened doesn’t this happen at hundreds of footy matches every year?

Did you know that the leppings land wasn’t full to capacity at the time?

Why didn’t the police have a cordon 300 yards from the turnstiles, like they did at the previous years semi-final between the same two clubs, which also allowed them to filter fans arrival at the bottleneck of turnstiles that Leppings lane is.

There was a major traffic accident on the day, massively delaying fans. Why did forest fans have over 60 turnstiles, whilst we had only 23, and a further 12 were not available on the day.

Why did the ground not have a proper safety certifictae. I could go on.

All free and easy to read, a bit different to how you "think".

 

[oxymoron]

As i stated in my first post my heart goes out to the innocents , however if it means getting insulted and belittled then i am out. Sorry i dont post much but if this is an example of what happens when someone does not see things your way and disagrees with your opinion , it will make me think twice in future .

 

[Hobbit]

Blame has certainly been apportioned, do the families/fans want prosecutions following these verdicts?

I would like to think that those in high office who were complicit in the cover up, including the comments they made about those that weren't alive to defend themselves, are hung, drawn and quartered!

People on the ground made the wrong decision, but for those in high office to do what they did in the cold light of day - despicable!