Hillsborough Inquest

Im not sure it changes anything.. Or it wouldnt if it had been a relative of mine...

All football fans of that era new exactly what happened and didn't need 27 years to prove it....
 
Jack_bfc said:
Im not sure it changes anything.. Or it wouldnt if it had been a relative of mine...

All football fans of that era new exactly what happened and didn't need 27 years to prove it....
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As said above , a real tradegy but , at risk of abuse , surely the fans should be culpable of some , and i use the term with trepidation , blame for the behavior outside after all the kick off time was known so why not make sure your there in time ?
However my heart goes out to the innocents caught up in this terrible event.
 
oxymoron said:
As said above , a real tradegy but , at risk of abuse , surely the fans should be culpable of some , and i use the term with trepidation , blame for the behavior outside after all the kick off time was known so why not make sure your there in time ?
However my heart goes out to the innocents caught up in this terrible event.
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You obviously haven't got a clue about this, go and do some reading. Here's something to start with from the court today:

7) Was there any behaviour on the part of the football supporters which caused or contributed to the dangerous situation at the Leppings Lane turnstiles?”

The jury answered NO.
 
Berger said:
You obviously haven't got a clue about this, go and do some reading. Here's something to start with from the court today:

7) Was there any behaviour on the part of the football supporters which caused or contributed to the dangerous situation at the Leppings Lane turnstiles?”

The jury answered NO.
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Really ? At the time i lived in a terraced house next to the ground , We had supporters in our house ringing home, so please do not tell me to go read .That day was a class 1 screw up by all sides , and i repeat all sides .
 
Jack_bfc said:
Im not sure it changes anything.. Or it wouldnt if it had been a relative of mine...
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I ink it changes things, in as much as the wider world, many of whom see football fans as hooigans and scum, now know, beyond any doubt, that they were never to blame and the authorities were to blame and the shameful cover up which followed was so very wrong

I'm glad, as a football fan, that the fans are now finally, totally exonerated
 
oxymoron said:
Really ? At the time i lived in a terraced house next to the ground , We had supporters in our house ringing home, so please do not tell me to go read .That day was a class 1 screw up by all sides , and i repeat all sides .
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This Inquest has lasted two years with no stone left unturned including the possibility that the arrival time of supporters had an impact on what actually happened. Today the jury unanimously agreed that the behaviour of the supporters did not cause or contribute to the events at Hillsborough.

Why, on today of all days, would you want to continue pushing the idea that supporters were to blame?
 
Berger said:
This Inquest has lasted two years with no stone left unturned including the possibility that the arrival time of supporters had an impact on what actually happened. Today the jury unanimously agreed that the behaviour of the supporters did not cause or contribute to the events at Hillsborough.

Why, on today of all days, would you want to continue pushing the idea that supporters were to blame?
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I am not saying they are to solely to blame i am just saying everyone had a part to play .
You seem intent on confrontation so this will be my last word
 
I have every sympathy for everyone involved and agree that the cover up by the police was shameful - and I say this as someone whose father was involved in policing a number of semi-finals at Hillsborough (not at the ground on the day). But I feel that all of the inquests, including this one, have delivered flawed verdicts in putting the blame wholly on one side or the other. In my opinion, and I am entitled to have one, the fans were partly to blamefor the issues leading up to the tragedy and trying to lay the whole blame on the police and Sheffield Wednesday is not correct. It is a well known fact that a number of fans, even today, spend time in the bars around grounds and arrive late, pushing past you to get to there seats and then wanting to be with their mates at those grounds that do not have allocated seating for away matches (probably just lower leagues like I am used to). it was these type of fans that contributed to the events - in my opinion
 
oxymoron said:
I am not saying they are to solely to blame i am just saying everyone had a part to play .
You seem intent on confrontation so this will be my last word
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I am not intent on confrontation but for the last 27 years the families of those who died and the people who survived have fought to clear their name from any wrongdoing. And while a lot of people have come to recognise in recent years that the fans were not to blame some people still believed it was the fans fault.

The verdict today has completely exonerated those fans and has finally given those families justice after 27 long years. To still say the fans were to blame in some part, is a slap in the face to those people and in my opinion completely ignorant of the situation.
 
only half the wrong has been dealt with today. those responsible for the cover up and furthering the smears that were attached to the victims should face responsibility for what they did.
 
Berger said:
I am not intent on confrontation but for the last 27 years the families of those who died and the people who survived have fought to clear their name from any wrongdoing. And while a lot of people have come to recognise in recent years that the fans were not to blame some people still believed it was the fans fault.

The verdict today has completely exonerated those fans and has finally given those families justice after 27 long years. To still say the fans were to blame in some part, is a slap in the face to those people and in my opinion completely ignorant of the situation.
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By "those fans" do you mean every fan who was at the ground that day or just those who died?
 
Neilds said:
I have every sympathy for everyone involved and agree that the cover up by the police was shameful - and I say this as someone whose father was involved in policing a number of semi-finals at Hillsborough (not at the ground on the day). But I feel that all of the inquests, including this one, have delivered flawed verdicts in putting the blame wholly on one side or the other. In my opinion, and I am entitled to have one, the fans were partly to blamefor the issues leading up to the tragedy and trying to lay the whole blame on the police and Sheffield Wednesday is not correct. It is a well known fact that a number of fans, even today, spend time in the bars around grounds and arrive late, pushing past you to get to there seats and then wanting to be with their mates at those grounds that do not have allocated seating for away matches (probably just lower leagues like I am used to). it was these type of fans that contributed to the events - in my opinion
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This is exactly what i meant to say but better than i could have written.
 
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